Eclipse wrote: I'm just saying Maoris tend to be more influenced by the Gang culture than whites or any other race,

It's not actually that clever, Axion. I doubt most of South Auckland has wireless routers, even if they did, most people are clueing on to restricting their access.

Jon Valjean wrote:

The Nazi's weren't really gang culture. Well, at the beginning they were a little, but that was **** all time really.

Scoobin wrote: @Eclipse, with all due respect, if only you had a clue about the pscyhology of the average person that grows up in poverty with physical and mental abuse, and their attempts to find meaning in life. Then you will understand why they turn out that way. Not only that, but the government would lose a lot of popularity (as if it could handle that) and perhaps get voted out in the next election.

Bullshit.. to an extent your right but at the end of the day if the person has got a brain and got morals, respect for others etc then they can change.. everyone has a choice.

What about the blacks in America they are ruthless no doubt but theres more often than not a fool with at least a clue and ' preaches' that shit to others in saying its not the way to go etc... never see that shit here.. everyone follows the leader.

Having a kid brought up in poverty with like you said mental and physcial abuse can be huge factor.. but at the end of the day if the kids wise enough then he would wake up to that bullshit.

I've had a pretty shit life growing up and I have had my fair share or mental and physical abuse too.. but that didn't change me pal it taught me in what not to be..

Eclipse wrote: What about the blacks in America they are ruthless no doubt but theres more often than not a fool with at least a clue and ' preaches' that shit to others in saying its not the way to go etc... never see that shit here.. everyone follows the leader.

There are plenty of ex-gang members who speak out to the youth in Otara. Maybe you're not looking hard enough.

Eclipse wrote: Bullshit.. to an extent your right but at the end of the day if the person has got a brain and got morals, respect for others etc then they can change.. everyone has a choice. What about the blacks in America they are ruthless no doubt but theres more often than not a fool with at least a clue and ' preaches' that shit to others in saying its not the way to go etc... never see that shit here.. everyone follows the leader. Having a kid brought up in poverty with like you said mental and physcial abuse can be huge factor.. but at the end of the day if the kids wise enough then he would wake up to that bullshit. I've had a pretty shit life growing up and I have had my fair share or mental and physical abuse too.. but that didn't change me pal it taught me in what not to be..

So by your logic, you have free choice, and yet you have happily demonstrated your racism. Did you choose to be racist or did mummy and daddy teach you to be that way?

¼ Necromonger® wrote: Maybe done already, cbf looking over pages, sorry if it has but... I know some patched blokes who are really very decent and have done me no harm anyway. Theyre still useful.

These guys agree with you and are going to be protesting new proposals...

Mongrel Mob

William Bell
Edward Waina
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Where are the GPODs on that list?

Mongrel Mob dude walked past 20 seconds ago.

My natural instinct was to post it on GP.

Eclipse wrote: Bullshit.. to an extent your right but at the end of the day if the person has got a brain and got morals, respect for others etc then they can change.. everyone has a choice.

Yes, "if" the person has those attributes... etc etc, but clearly we're talking about people who generally don't have those attributes because they haven't been brought up with these influences - quite the reverse. They have a brain yes but have they been taught how to use it?

Totally agree that everyone has a choice, it's just that the level of difficulty in disposing of such a negative lifestyle differs per person.

punksucks wrote: Rachaelle Namana

**** I love beneficiary names

It's French spelling. Nice work.

lammiwinks wrote: Lol im sure Hendrick has been reading the Bill of Rights in his spare time. More like the press said a bunch of BS, took his photo, and signed his name to it.

Hes not really a member just someone who knows a lot of them. Don't believe too much of what the media insists is the truth.

mikhailmedvedev wrote: Mongrel Mob dude walked past 20 seconds ago. My natural instinct was to post it on GP.

Heading towards my house !?!?!?

KoVaC wrote: This is more than just free association otherwise any club or groupings of people would be covered. I agree they need to be careful in how they define what groups are covered by the legislation, but the intent is to cover associations that come together for the purposes of crime and violence.

And you're willing to leave the definition of groups that are "safe" up to the government, are you? I think you misunderstand where Benjie was coming from.

Mutton wrote: It's French spelling. Nice work.

I didn't realise "Souljah" and "Zaaron" were French

Eclipse wrote: Bullshit.. to an extent your right but at the end of the day if the person has got a brain and got morals, respect for others etc then they can change.. everyone has a choice. What about the blacks in America they are ruthless no doubt but theres more often than not a fool with at least a clue and ' preaches' that shit to others in saying its not the way to go etc... never see that shit here.. everyone follows the leader. Having a kid brought up in poverty with like you said mental and physcial abuse can be huge factor.. but at the end of the day if the kids wise enough then he would wake up to that bullshit. I've had a pretty shit life growing up and I have had my fair share or mental and physical abuse too.. but that didn't change me pal it taught me in what not to be..

Your referring to your own nature, result of your nurture. We're referring to their nurture.

The way you're brought up seriously affects the way you think/your self confidence/your values.

delph0r wrote: Rachaelle Namana

Doo dooo de doo doo

So does this mean the police will **** off seeing as they are NZ's biggest gang who can get away with anything?

Cheeps wrote: So does this mean the police will **** off seeing as they are NZ's biggest gang who can get away with anything?

Depends if u like being anal raped by mungies all nite long.

lammiwinks wrote: Depends if u like being anal raped by mungies all nite long.

The police do quite a bit of raping?

Yossarian_16th wrote: And you're willing to leave the definition of groups that are "safe" up to the government, are you? I think you misunderstand where Benjie was coming from.

That would be why we elected them.

As long as they give us a clear definition of what groups are covered I don't have a problem with it. If it is out of line we can address it and get it changed if need be.

KoVaC wrote: That would be why we elected them. As long as they give us a clear definition of what groups are covered I don't have a problem with it. If it is out of line we can address it and get it changed if need be.

1. Just because "society" elected them doesn't mean you (or I) elected them.

2. What if the government of the day decreed that all other political parties are "illegal" groups, and membership in them was punishable by imprisonment?

A government, any government, should not have input into who I or anyone else may associate with.

Frank Sargeson wrote: The police do quite a bit of raping?

I was hinting at the lawlessness, raping and pillaging that would happen if we didnt have police.

Yossarian_16th wrote: 1. Just because "society" elected them doesn't mean you (or I) elected them. 2. What if the government of the day decreed that all other political parties are "illegal" groups, and membership in them was punishable by imprisonment? A government, any government, should not have input into who I or anyone else may associate with.

If just a smidgen of common-sense is used I think it's pretty easy to figure out who is a threat to society and who isn't. While you could actually argue that political parties are a threat, they are part of the democratic process. Should KKK et al. groups be allowed?