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Improving Ping

ReganC
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Old Post 13 Mar 2009 10:59 am REPLY Edit Profile Send PM Add Friend
Hey guys

I am running 2 computers off a telstraclear 10mb/2mb 20g cable paradise plan
Goes from modem to a dlink di-704up router

Any tweaks or changes i can make to get a better ping? I'm getting kicked from COH games (sorry gotta kick, your ping too high)

I'm currently using windows XP but changing to vista 64 shortly

Thanks
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Old Post 13 Mar 2009 11:04 am REPLY Edit Profile Send PM Add Friend
Where are the servers located?
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Old Post 14 Mar 2009 8:43 pm REPLY Edit Profile Send PM Add Friend
could always try good ole interleaving off MUAHAHAHAHAHAA.
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Old Post 14 Mar 2009 8:52 pm REPLY Edit Profile Send PM Add Friend

saajiik wrote:
Where are the servers located?


COH (Company of Heroes) is an RTS game therefore peer to peer. Turning interleaving off will help.
You simply need to be more selective when joining games. People don't like high pingers.
When tales of valor releases in a months time there will be more players so more game options.
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Old Post 14 Mar 2009 9:06 pm REPLY Edit Profile Send PM Add Friend
I didn't think there's interleaving on cable plans.. what you get is what you get.

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Old Post 14 Mar 2009 9:45 pm REPLY Edit Profile Send PM Add Friend

Grudge wrote:
I didn't think there's interleaving on cable plans.. what you get is what you get.


That would make sense actually, i missed the word cable there.
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Old Post 14 Mar 2009 11:03 pm REPLY Edit Profile Send PM Add Friend
There is interleaving on the TelstraClear DOCSIS cable modem network. As for the delay, it's usually about 8ms.

Remember there could also be backhaul interleaving with ATM and also you both need to have interleaving turned off for best results :)

Location still has to be considered though, the further away usually the higher the latency and routing may also come into the picture.

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Old Post 15 Mar 2009 11:21 am REPLY Edit Profile Send PM Add Friend
Before you do anything, do a traceroute to the server.

Hold down the windows key and R, then type cmd. Now type in: tracert <server ip> looks like 118.127.0.66

Right click and 'mark' now drag the cursor from 'Tracing route to..' down to 'Trace complete' now hit enter.

Open up your browser and type ]code[ <paste info here> ]code[ <--- put the brackets round the right way.

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Old Post 15 Mar 2009 11:27 am REPLY Edit Profile Send PM Add Friend

tehyitz wrote:
There is interleaving on the TelstraClear DOCSIS cable modem network. As for the delay, it's usually about 8ms.



Fair enough, do you know if they can remove it on request ?

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Old Post 15 Mar 2009 1:01 pm REPLY Edit Profile Send PM Add Friend

Grudge wrote:
Fair enough, do you know if they can remove it on request ?

Don't think so, but with the first hop being around 10 ms anyway it's all good. They use Ethernet backhaul throughout as well afaik which introduces minimal latency.

There's pretty much interleaving in all last mile technologies, but yeah most don't interleave at depths resulting in 32 ms in/out like Telecom ADSL.

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Old Post 16 Mar 2009 2:43 pm REPLY Edit Profile Send PM Add Friend
try TCP Optimiser its fairly good
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Old Post 16 Mar 2009 4:02 pm REPLY Edit Profile Send PM Add Friend
I play COH fairly regularly aswell, there is not alot you can do about high pings in the game. From my own experience anything up to 400 ping with decent performance is ok. I usually host a game and label it NZ/OZ XvX and boot anyone with higher pings. The game lags horrendously when you get packet loss, So I would start a ping to your DNS and have it run as you play just to make sure you are getting little/no loss.
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ReganC
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Old Post 16 Mar 2009 5:59 pm REPLY Edit Profile Send PM Add Friend
Tracing route to 118.127.0.66 over a maximum of 30 hops

1 <1 ms <1 ms <1 ms 192.168.0.1
2 34 ms 11 ms 9 ms 203-97-102-1.cable.telstraclear.net [203.97.102.
1]
3 8 ms 8 ms 7 ms ae0-840.ie4.telstraclear.net [203.167.223.114]
4 19 ms 19 ms 19 ms ge-1-2-0-843.ie1.telstraclear.net [218.101.61.10
5]
5 19 ms 19 ms 18 ms ge-0-2-0-1.xcore1.acld.telstraclear.net [203.98.
50.251]
6 19 ms 18 ms 19 ms 203.21.25.234
7 22 ms 21 ms 19 ms 0.so-2-2-0.XT1.AKL1.ALTER.NET [210.80.38.61]
8 44 ms 42 ms 44 ms 0.so-0-1-2.XT3.SYD2.ALTER.NET [210.80.51.201]
9 43 ms 43 ms 43 ms 0.so-3-0-0.GW8.SYD2.ALTER.NET [210.80.33.190]
10 43 ms 42 ms 43 ms vocus-syd-gw.aspac.customer.alter.net [203.166.4
3.34]
11 45 ms 43 ms 44 ms as45425.syd01.nsw.vocusconnect.net.au [114.31.19
3.54]
12 44 ms 44 ms 45 ms 118.127.0.66

Trace complete.

Mr.Anon wrote:
Before you do anything, do a traceroute to the server.

Hold down the windows key and R, then type cmd. Now type in: tracert <server ip> looks like 118.127.0.66

Right click and 'mark' now drag the cursor from 'Tracing route to..' down to 'Trace complete' now hit enter.

Open up your browser and type ]code[ <paste info here> ]code[ <--- put the brackets round the right way.


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Old Post 16 Mar 2009 6:50 pm REPLY Edit Profile Send PM Add Friend
Hah, don't put in the IP i supplied.

I'm guessing you connect to other people's hosted games? Try looking for AUS or NZ like Jebus (hello there ~N~ Jebus :) ) said.

Telstra NZ has had some trouble in the past few weeks with Internode (still is afaik) and other ISPs which are linked to the likes of bigpond and cubos.

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Old Post 20 Mar 2009 8:52 pm REPLY Edit Profile Send PM Add Friend
Hey there,

To be honest my skillz at speeding up latency is a bit average compared to other DSL issues, cause normally ISPs don't worry about latency as much. :-)

For Telecom DSL, they are going through doing the Cabinitisation so that should be a good help for improving latency. (the shorter the cable, the less latency).

I seem to recall a friend dropped about 10 or 20ms from swapping his DSL router, oddly enough from a Linksys to I think a Netcomm?

With cable is the cable modem supplied by Telstra?

Sometimes PC programs (esp poor firewalls and antivirus) can be a factor slowing the PC down and that slows down the PCs ability to handle the handling of TCP/IP.

You can want to download Hijack this and you can post the logs up here and I can give you a breakdown of what each process is.

I do have a summary of the key PC processes that do cause problems here - it is all a bit messy at the moment, but I can go through and check through to see if there are any in there that can be optimised. I was trying to make it check each line, but I suck as a coder at the moment.

There are also go through some PC speedup tips here

You can change the Receive window (and oddly I had a friend from BT, that said doing this can sometimes fix disconnections) Dunno why, but must be true. But dropping the RWIN can help by using TCP opimiser.

The following advice was from http://forums.speedguide.net/showthread.php?t=206590

Try lowering your RWIN. Use the following custom setting with TCP Optimizer:

General Settings tab:
Custom settings - check
Modify All Network Adapters - check
network adapter selection - your NIC
MTU - 1492
TTL - 64
TCP Receive Window - 127776
MTU Discovery - Yes
Black Hole Detect - No
Selective Acks - Yes
Max Duplicate ACKs - 2
TCP 1323 Options:
Windows Scaling - check
Timestamps - uncheck
Advanced Settings tab:
Max Connections per Server - 10
Max Connections per 1.0 Server - 20
LocalPriority - 5
Host Priority - 6
DNSPriority - 7
NetbtPriority - 8
Lan Browsing speedup - optimized
QoS: NonBestEffortLimit - 0
ToS: DisableUserTOSSetting - 0
ToS: DefaultTOSValue - 80
MaxNegativeCacheTtl - 0
NetFailureCacheTime - 0
NegativeSOACache Time - 0
LAN Request Buffer Size - 32768
Then select "Apply Changes" and reboot to take effect

I didn't mean to be posting a bunch of links to my site, but I was too lazy to re-write them all over again..

Cheers,
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