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    Not sure why the 3800x even exists. Weird CPU, literally offers nothing over the 3700x. AMD should probably have bundled the weaker cooler with the 3700x to at least give the 3800x some sort of value.

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    Bobs wrote:
    Not sure why the 3800x even exists. Weird CPU, literally offers nothing over the 3700x. AMD should probably have bundled the weaker cooler with the 3700x to at least give the 3800x some sort of value.
    Maybe they use better binned chips? But 3950x uses the best binned 8 core chips so actually maybe not

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    Bobs wrote:
    Not sure why the 3800x even exists. Weird CPU, literally offers nothing over the 3700x. AMD should probably have bundled the weaker cooler with the 3700x to at least give the 3800x some sort of value.
    AMD should just had :

    3600=> 3600X
    3600x--deleted
    3700x=>3700X
    3800X--deleted
    3900X=>3800X
    3950X=>3900X

    3600x and 3800x are both useless skus

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    mac-one-oh wrote:
    Maybe they use better binned chips? But 3950x uses the best binned 8 core chips so actually maybe not
    "binning" doesn't seem to mean much, it doesn't stop the cheaper chip from boosting nearly as high.
    The 3600x and 3800x are pointless parts

    Last edited by SirGrim; 16th July 2019 at 5:17 pm.

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    Fully expecting the B550 boards to allow access to full PCIe 4.0 speeds for those lanes directly off the CPU. There's enough info out there to suggest its doable with the B450 but AMD has vetoed it and nerfed the latest AGESA code.

    Personally expecting the B550 to be a respin or name change of the B450 and is unlikely to bring anything new to the table. Only hope is motherboard manufacturers up the ante a bit and improve on their current B450 designs.

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    DW wrote:
    I asked CL if I bought a Ryzen CPU and motherboard, they directed me to their $49 BIOS update service

    Understandable as they'd have to unbox/set it up to do it, but to some degree I feel like the expectation of hardware being up-to-date when purchased isn't unreasonable from a consumer perspective.
    Ask Playtech - they were nice enough to do it for me free of charge

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    huntakillaz wrote:
    AMD should just had :

    3600=> 3600X
    3600x--deleted
    3700x=>3700X
    3800X--deleted
    3900X=>3800X
    3950X=>3900X

    3600x and 3800x are both useless skus
    I wouldn't go as far as useless, if you are willing to overclock the non x part, then there isn't a lot of point for the x, but if you want to leave at standard and let the system self-overclock the x part still seems to have its place.

    I was working on 2 systems on the weekend, mine with 2600x and a friends with 2600. I prefer the 2600x for the ~ $50 difference (in my case it was $20)

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    dickytim wrote:
    I wouldn't go as far as useless, if you are willing to overclock the non x part, then there isn't a lot of point for the x, but if you want to leave at standard and let the system self-overclock the x part still seems to have its place.

    I was working on 2 systems on the weekend, mine with 2600x and a friends with 2600. I prefer the 2600x for the ~ $50 difference (in my case it was $20)
    The 2000 series is different. The 3000 series doesn't have much difference in those models quoted.

    Check out this video for example.

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    Paying for an X chip is for people that don't want to overclock. Even since gen 1 you could get the same performance. I remember people reviewing 1600's that were clocking higher than 1600x chips.

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    Correcting their previous piece where they said everyone should undervolt their 3900x to get lower temps.
    Undervolting does not maintain the stock performance





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    Optimum Tech.

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    I like his builds, always super clean

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    Lame. I still have to wait till Wednesday before my ram arrives, slowest amazon shipping ever. I just want to get this PC up and running

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    Pxndx wrote:
    Lame. I still have to wait till Wednesday before my ram arrives, slowest amazon shipping ever. I just want to get this PC up and running
    Ordered my ram on the Sat 6th and arrived Mon 15th. Originally set for 23rd delivery, so may come this week still

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    pyronical wrote:
    A lot of assumptions prior to launch that the 3600X and 3800X were rubbish... seems to be lining up with the truth.
    dickytim wrote:
    Not sure I have seen a review anywhere suggesting they are rubbish, every review has said they are excellent chips. Maybe they are not the value proposition compared with the other chips with the same cores.
    SirGrim wrote:
    3800x reviews popping up

    tl:dr - buy the 3700x instead
    huntakillaz wrote:
    3600x and 3800x are both useless skus
    dickytim wrote:
    I wouldn't go as far as useless, if you are willing to overclock the non x part, then there isn't a lot of point for the x, but if you want to leave at standard and let the system self-overclock the x part still seems to have its place.

    I was working on 2 systems on the weekend, mine with 2600x and a friends with 2600. I prefer the 2600x for the ~ $50 difference (in my case it was $20)
    Pxndx wrote:
    The 2000 series is different. The 3000 series doesn't have much difference in those models quoted.
    Yeah I stand by my original comment that the 3600x and 3800x are rubbish, not sure why you are trying to defend them dickytim. Buy the chip below them for cheaper, get the same performance with close to no effort... like 3 basic changes in the bios.

    The X means nothing but a name in the 3000 series. It used to designate XFR, but now all the chips get PBO.

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    ajaxx wrote:
    Ordered my ram on the Sat 6th and arrived Mon 15th. Originally set for 23rd delivery, so may come this week still
    I hope, but I don't think it will. Amazon had said it shipped a week ago, but now only just updated as "Arriving Wednesday".

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    Pxndx wrote:
    I hope, but I don't think it will. Amazon had said it shipped a week ago, but now only just updated as "Arriving Wednesday".
    My SSD was ordered June 26, delivered July 9. Almost exactly 2 weeks.
    In saying that, I can look through my Amazon history and more often than not it arrived with a week.

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    Gotta love Digital Foundry's benchmarks, their content is second to none.
    They even manage to prove that both the 3700x and 9700k can bottleneck a 2080ti at 4k which I haven't found any other reviewer bring up - all they care about is average fps in a chart.

    And good on Richard for calling out other reviewers who just show you bar charts

    Last edited by SirGrim; 18th July 2019 at 1:02 pm.

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    Which unoptimised game has a CPU bottleneck @ 4k? (assuming I am reading that right) 30 minutes is too long to watch to find out. I don't really see a problem with bar charts that include 0.1% / 1% lows and averages.

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    The problem with averages and 1/0.1% lows is they are not able to actually tell you accurately how stable the performance is.
    As Richard pointed out, there are many factors that come together to cause that average fps, and that 0.1% low and what you can't see when you generalise the bar chart is how it tracks over time - that's the biggest issue, there is no axis for Time.

    To expand on this - there are periods in that video where the 3700x has a higher average fps than the 9700k - yet it has large frametime spikes and the exact opposite happens as well with the 9700k having spikes while looking like it's winning (particularly in Far Cry 5 the 9700k looks like it's way faster, yet it has many frametime spikes that take away from the smoothness in gameplay which the 3700x doesn't suffer from).

    Quick example from the video

    Take a look at the fps for the 9700k and 3700x in the later section of the Far Cry 5 benchmark.
    Then look at the bottom frametime graph - notice how the 3700x is far more stable , the 9700k produces higher fps and will look like it's better on a chart from hardware unboxed - yet it's actually the more unstable experience




    IIRC both Metro Exodus and Witcher 3 exhibited 4k CPU bottlenecks - mind you they don't last very long, so it's not that noticeable to person playing the game but they are there - in saying that DF only looked at small portions of the games for testing in this video
    Last edited by SirGrim; 18th July 2019 at 2:50 pm.

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    Yeah it's an interesting topic. It does seem that overall, having the extra threads can smooth out gameplay. 9900K in that benchmark test would have been good to see. HUB did a benchmark recently which showed how the new Ryzen chips may not net the top average results, but their miniums are higher. Minimums are more important than average, when the average is already high enough on both chips to be acceptable. Even more so when most people are probably still gaming on 60hz screens. Not enthusiasts obviously.

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    yeah wish more reviewers also looked at little thing like that, or just screen cap the runs showing the frame stability.

    But fan boys will never accept minimums are more important.

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    Fragluton wrote:
    Yeah it's an interesting topic. It does seem that overall, having the extra threads can smooth out gameplay. 9900K in that benchmark test would have been good to see. HUB did a benchmark recently which showed how the new Ryzen chips may not net the top average results, but their miniums are higher. Minimums are more important than average, when the average is already high enough on both chips to be acceptable. Even more so when most people are probably still gaming on 60hz screens. Not enthusiasts obviously.
    I could watch DF for hours and hours, their content is extremely technical and interesting and generally well above what most reviewers give you. Most reviewers just chuck hardware into a case, turn it on - run a benchmark and post the results, while DF researches the actual technology and figures out how it runs, why it runs the way it does and gets inside developer knowledge on different techniques and methods for game and hardware development when they can

    Richard did mention the 9900k does not have the stutters in Far Cry 5 that the 9700k has - so hyperthreading is important in that game. I even went and eventually found a frametime video comparing the 9700k and 8700k and the issue was in that person's video as well - even the older 8700k is much smoother in Far Cry 5 than a 9700k and that's despite the 9700k having higher FPS

    And yet, someone who jump on Tomshardware, sees this graph and thinks the 9700k is going to clearly be the better cpu compared to the 3700x and 3900x for playing far cry 5.




    I imagine they'll do the same video but for the 9900k and 3900x soon.
    Last edited by SirGrim; 19th July 2019 at 8:28 am.

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    So here's the thing...

    The 2600 is currently sitting around US$125 on Amazon:
    https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0...language=en_US

    The 2700 is currently US$199 but has been as low as US$150 recently:
    https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0...language=en_US

    I'm just keeping an eye for now but if say the 2600 drops close to US$100 or the 2700 hits around US$130 on Black Friday would that make them be a better buy than the 3600?

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    Brand, you need some YOLO in your life my friend