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    Ex-hardware devision head: Valve's heirachy structure is not all sunshine & lollipops


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    Division.

    That is all.


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    Damn, that stupid "The Decision" thread and lack of sleep must be clouding my decision making.

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    EvaUnit02 wrote:
    Damn, that stupid "The Decision" thread and lack of sleep must be clouding my decision making.
    Oh Snap!

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    EvaUnit02 wrote:
    Damn, that stupid "The Decision" thread and lack of sleep must be clouding my decision making.
    I'd guessed as much. I just couldn't resist though

    I'll be watching the vid later, thanks for posting.

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    Wait, she left the company and Valve GAVE her all the hardware tech she researched and developed while on their payroll!?

    She's complaining why?

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    It'll take more than one disgruntled, sour bitch to convince me there was a big conspiracy at Valve I'm afraid.

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    Denker wrote:
    She's complaining why?
    She was fired and her hardware team was gutted.

    Between 1967-1971 hundreds of counter culture communes poped up, many of them were leaderless utopias and they fell to pieces within 9 months because stronger personalities would dominate. I've always wondered how Valve managed to avoid this, A hidden layer of management explains a lot.

    Hearing she couldn't get permission to hire a full time machinist is insane.

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    Happy using the system to hire people against other employee's wishes then gets fired under the same system.

    She got to take all the tech with her though.

    So..... meh. I still love Valve.

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    Limit0 wrote:
    Happy using the system to hire people against other employee's wishes then gets fired under the same system.
    Her team was severely under-staffed (just 5 people juggling several tasks at time); and what hirings? The "hidden management" wouldn't let her hire on the specialised professionals required by her division to do their jobs properly.

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    Wait, there are some managers who have more real power than other managers in Valve? Shock horror. But seriously, I know people who have more actual power than people who are theoretically two tiers above them on the 'official' management tier. I'm not surprised at all that it's like that with Valve's management structure either.
    EvaUnit02 wrote:
    Her team was severely under-staffed (just 5 people juggling several tasks at time); and what hirings? The "hidden management" wouldn't let her hire on the specialised professionals required by her division to do their jobs properly.
    Maybe some in Valve didn't want to make the console and just used it as an excuse.

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    Sounds like she was making something similar to google glass. IRC Valve outsourced the official "Steam Box" to a pc manufacturer anyway.

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    EvaUnit02 wrote:
    The "hidden management" wouldn't let her hire on the specialised professionals required by her division to do their jobs properly.
    You're quoting a fired and self-admittedly disgruntled employee's opinion as fact...

    Sounds to me it's more likely that her abrasive personality (this comes through from her in spades) pissed off a lot of the people at Valve. Combine this with most employees not thinking her VR tech was going to be profitable/viable for Valve, something that Gabe also evidently thought(thus why he gave her the tech Valve essentially paid to develop). It's an opinion that I share tbh, her VR tech, whilst interesting, is not going to be commercially successful to any large degree. Certainly not enough to justify continued investment by a major player.

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    EvaUnit02 wrote:
    Her team was severely under-staffed (just 5 people juggling several tasks at time); and what hirings? The "hidden management" wouldn't let her hire on the specialised professionals required by her division to do their jobs properly.
    I was under the impression some of the other fired people were ones she hired. Maybe they were just on the team, not actually hired by her personally.

    It just seems like the other edge of the create-what-you-want mantra within Valve. If no one else shares the vision you will encounter resistance.

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    Limit0 wrote:
    I was under the impression some of the other fired people were ones she hired. Maybe they were just on the team, not actually hired by her personally.

    It just seems like the other edge of the create-what-you-want mantra within Valve. If no one else shares the vision you will encounter resistance.
    Yea if it's not popular then good luck getting it through. Though I think that if certain members of the management want stuff then they will get it. It really depends on how close you are with King Gaben or a few of the other top managers.

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    Sounds like she didn't sell her idea well enough to other staff and her project became unpopular. Although she points to lack of communication within the company as the reason.

    There will be some truth in what she says though, and her point regarding bonus' for people working on big "feature" projects like Portal 2 is interesting. It makes sense that staff would rather work on these projects if possible so that they can get bonus'. Surely that must make it harder for visionaries to get their idea's up and running.

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    To be honest she sounds like she is fooling herself to me and that the problem exists with her

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    Sounds so very American. Hiring and firing on peer reviews, what could go wrong. Who needs labour laws anyway.

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    hired one day, fired the next without reason, at least that doesn't happen in NZ

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    SirGrim wrote:
    hired one day, fired the next without reason, at least that doesn't happen in NZ
    LOL.

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    Doesn't America have no paid-leave laws or something? Crazy.

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    I'm not sure but that's the direction National are taking us in atm.

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    I wouldn't be surprised if what she was saying were true, it's why utopia is an ideal not a realistic state. Without checks and oversights there will always be people who exploit systems built in good faith.

    And to be honest, from the really clever geeks I've met, they would be waaaaaaay quicker to go lord of the flies.

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    SirGrim wrote:
    hired one day, fired the next without reason, at least that doesn't happen in NZ
    The 90 day law says hi .

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    Murakami wrote:
    I'm not sure but that's the direction National are taking us in atm.
    Hardly the thread for it but I have nfi if you're being serious