Getting out of parking tickets: Wilson/PES parking "fine" guide/thread

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    since i went right to the end of this process maybe a year or two ago, I've received another 2 wilsons tickets from the same lot in wellington (tory st warehouse), i don't even get an overdue payment letter from them to dispute anymore, they just seem to disappear.
    the only change in my circumstances is i took my car details off that website after my 1st rodeo with PES
    i checked my credit rating and it hasn't been altered either

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    exactly, they can't do shit. it costs them more to recover the unpaid 'fine' than to ignore it

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    Chunky wrote:
    If their margin was $65 then sure..
    Good point but the ticket isn't 100% margin either.

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    Vulcan wrote:
    Good point but the ticket isn't 100% margin either.
    The whole point is there isn't allowed to be any margin on the ticket. They're for recouping cost to the business.

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    GaR wrote:
    The whole point is there isn't allowed to be any margin on the ticket. They're for recouping cost to the business.
    Cost to the business of what though?

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    Vulcan wrote:
    Cost to the business of what though?
    Historically is has been the use of the park only as use of a park doesn't guarantee a sale.

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    networkn wrote:
    So is information all this still relevant even though it was initially posted in 2016? The wording on the tickets (got one at Bunnings) has changed and says that this fine reflects liquidated damages.
    The relevant legislations remain largely unchanged. Nevertheless, it may be useful to know the wording of the newer Infringement Notices.

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    Car owner but not the driver?

    I just received letter in the mail from Parking Enforcement Services for a parking breach that occurred 8 months ago!
    I know I was not in Perth at the time of the incident, but several people have access to the car, so I am not the only driver. I appealed and explained that I was definitely not the driver of the car at that time so I would not be paying the $65 requested. Where do I stand legally if I am the registered owner of the vehicle, but was not driving it when the breach occurred?

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    Up shit creek I imagine. Pro tip, don't let other people use your car and cost you money.

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    lol what, he's got a complete defense - if I take your baseball bat and smash somebody's windows, is it your fault because you own the bat?

    the PES troglodytes will probably still try it on but there's no way in hell that you should pay

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    Bat isn't registered to me, so i'm going to say nah.

    If that is a defense that gets you off so easy, why doesn't everyone just say, "nah wasn't me, not paying". Would make things so much simpler.

    If someone gets a speeding fine in your car, pretty sure you'd have to name the driver if you didn't want to pay it yourself. "nah wasn't me" "oh sorry sir, have a nice day".

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    it doesn't matter who the car is registered to as long as you can prove that it wasn't you driving it on the day - and blurae wasn't even in the country at the time so that should be simple.

    i don't know why people even communicate with PES, they have no right to issue any fines full stop.

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    sorceror wrote:
    it doesn't matter who the car is registered to as long as you can prove that it wasn't you driving it on the day - and blurae wasn't even in the country at the time so that should be simple.

    i don't know why people even communicate with PES, they have no right to issue any fines full stop.
    That doesn't work for speeding fines, I don't see why it should work for parking fines (council or private).

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    Given the foundation is that PES is enforcing a breach of contract to enable these infringement notices, if you were not party to the contract then they can't legally enforce it.

    It's how i got out of my infringement notice, they realised that they were trying to enforce a contract where I was not aware of the terms of the contract therefore I'm not able to consider the contract and thus because of that it can't legally be enforced. The exception is where a fine is issued under a bylaw.

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    KevinL wrote:
    That doesn't work for speeding fines, I don't see why it should work for parking fines (council or private).
    of course it works for speeding fines, it's written at the back of the infringement notice.

    http://www.police.govt.nz/faq/someon...t-what-do-i-do

    council ones:
    https://at.govt.nz/driving-parking/p...ty-for-a-fine/

    private parking is a contract between a person and the carpark place, not between the car and the carpark.

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    Yes, but what if you can't determine who was driving the car at the time?

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    well for speeding fines you just need to take all reasonable steps to identify them, you can request a picture etc. if you were out of the country and you can prove that there's no way that you would be liable.

    but this is all beside the point because we are talking about a private parking ticket - identifying the driver is PES's problem.

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    Fragluton wrote:
    If that is a defense that gets you off so easy, why doesn't everyone just say, "nah wasn't me, not paying". Would make things so much simpler.
    You can say that with these crappy private "fines" because they can't do shit about it. They're as legit as if I PM'd you saying you owe me $100 because you're a pleb. With council or Police fines you have to pay them otherwise you end up with a warrant out for your arrest.