A thread to discuss how ****ed up America is.

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    Thunderstorm wrote:
    Its the US citizens/voters etc who hold's the real power.
    lmao

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    It's like saying the consumer holds the power over fuel. BP or Caltex? It's not really power, it's limited choice in a controlled game.

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    when it comes down to it workers are essential to the production process and would hold all power over society if only they'd group together to wield it instead of buying into the concessions of liberal democracy

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    Or weld their power against communism in Russia and China

    Oh wait... they already tried that, something tanks.

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    Gesellschaft wrote:
    when it comes down to it workers are essential to the production process and would hold all power over society if only they'd group together to wield it instead of buying into the concessions of liberal democracy
    that would assume workers actually are self aware enough to understand what is best for themselves and the collective. That has never been actually proven to work in the long term . The vast majority of humanity is driven by impulses that they have limited awareness or control over. Just think of all the obese folk in the world etc

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    SirGrim wrote:
    Or weld their power against communism in Russia and China

    Oh wait... they already tried that, something tanks.
    it's almost as if without the abolition of class having been achieved in the lesser stage of socialism, workers still engage in class struggle whether it's towards capitalist restoration or worker's class interests thinkingemoji.jpg

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    New documentary about the children of Hillary voters - Children of Darkness


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    Amuses me the state of the people in those far lefty groups. All dorks, hippies and outcasts looking for a home. They think they find purpose in shouting down 'facists'. At least it's fantastic entertainment for mentally stable people.

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    Skimmed through it but lol @ the guy screaming at the people chanting USA.

    He's right you know, those USA chanting type people are the worst. They probably also 'support the troops' right up until it involves them actually having to do something or sacrifice something.

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    Some young people are inarticulate and cringey. Let's sure all use that as a basis for political discourse.

    Chelsea Clinton is certainly a child of darkness though.

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    I saw Hilary on the Graham Norton show the other day, the interview was very canned. She was going on about how creep trump was during the debates, standing over her etc - they showed a picture of her with trump behind her but he was a few meters back. I agree the guys a creep, but I couldn't get out of my head how she was ranting about trumps rapeyness but still married to bill.

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    Bloody wrote:
    that would assume workers actually are self aware enough to understand what is best for themselves and the collective. That has never been actually proven to work in the long term . The vast majority of humanity is driven by impulses that they have limited awareness or control over. Just think of all the obese folk in the world etc
    It's a thyroid problem, don't you know.

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    It's like momma always used to say, fascism is as fascism does

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    Have they impeached Trump yet

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    Lethargic wrote:
    Have they impeached Trump yet
    No, he got promoted

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    Vulcan wrote:
    I saw Hilary on the Graham Norton show the other day, the interview was very canned. She was going on about how creep trump was during the debates, standing over her etc - they showed a picture of her with trump behind her but he was a few meters back. I agree the guys a creep, but I couldn't get out of my head how she was ranting about trumps rapeyness but still married to bill.
    Yeah but Bill "Cigar" Clinton is on the "Right Team" so he gets a pass. That's how liberal politics works.

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    The issue with Bill Clinton is that he was President 17 years ago. He is not President now, Donald Trump is.

    I know it's a minor detail and all but let's try to keep the insanity levels at a manageable level.

    edit: also maybe this is why people don't bother to post here lol.

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    with that said, to be fair whataboutism is a pretty good way to immediately shut down anyone positing the idea that trump is "uniquely horrible".

    in reality he is merely as horrible as every other neoliberal puppet of the corporate state.

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    clockblock wrote:
    with that said, to be fair whataboutism is a pretty good way to immediately shut down anyone positing the idea that trump is "uniquely horrible".

    in reality he is merely as horrible as every other neoliberal puppet of the corporate state.
    even if he wasn't in Politics he would still be an despicable human being.

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    I saw on the news today two hill billy looking guys shot their neighbour over someone trying to put a mattress in a dumpster

    https://www.google.co.nz/search?q=ne...hrome&ie=UTF-8

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    CODChimera wrote:
    The issue with Bill Clinton is that he was President 17 years ago. He is not President now, Donald Trump is.
    The conversation was about liberals hypocrisy - and my point is while trump is a creep - he paid for consensual sex. I'm sure if trump had raped someone it would be out by now. Whereas by #metoo standards clinton is a serial rapist. Yet the liberals just don't want to go there. So there is a double standard.

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    clockblock wrote:
    in reality he is merely as horrible as every other neoliberal puppet of the corporate state.
    I see him as a symbol of us politics in general.

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    BattleCrap wrote:
    I saw on the news today two hill billy looking guys shot their neighbour over someone trying to put a mattress in a dumpster

    https://www.google.co.nz/search?q=ne...hrome&ie=UTF-8
    Sounds like a normal day in the good ol' USA. What a retarded situation all around though. Dumb fat rednecks with guns and a third dumb prick mouthing off to them. "Point it at me", "You're a dead man", "Shoot me", "I'm going to kill you too".

    All over a mattress. lol RIP.

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    Vulcan wrote:
    Yet the liberals just don't want to go there. So there is a double standard.
    It's probably because he isn't currently president.

    Also Trump isn't creepy because he paid for sex. It's pretty funny because the people that do think that are usually the "family values" and "religious" Republicans ie his base. Here's some light reading for you: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Donald...ct_allegations

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    SirGrim wrote:
    New documentary about the children of Hillary voters - Children of Darkness

    I've had enough of you blaming everything on stupid crap. No I'm not calling you stupid... but blaming Liberalism on mental illness or vice versa really is a bridge too far...

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    CODChimera wrote:
    It's probably because he isn't currently president.

    Also Trump isn't creepy because he paid for sex. It's pretty funny because the people that do think that are usually the "family values" and "religious" Republicans ie his base. Here's some light reading for you: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Donald...ct_allegations
    Sorry yes you're right about the other stuff. He's a worse creep than clinton. Though I think clinton is the smarter creep. Trump is just plain dumb about his behaviour.

    It wasn't the presidency I was talking about, it was more the #metoo movement that has left clinton alone. The #metoo movement has destroyed people on lesser 'crimes' from further back. In no way am I excusing trumps behaviour, I am asking the question why haven't they gone after clinton?