A thread to discuss how ****ed up America is. (No Posts About The Wall)

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    Hampton, is that you?

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    Jussie Smollett wrote a cheque to pay the fake attackers. That really shows how crazy he was.

    Good to see Trump hassling him this morning, but not at all mentioning the white supremacist terrorist.

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    Smullet would get more attention, plus Trump is a yuge racist and the psycho guy was targeting his opponents, he probably likes him.

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    A good summary of Mueller potentially wrapping up and the likely goings on here... from @hoarsewhisperer

    Okay, Iíve been thinking about possible explanations for Mueller wrapping up and delivering a report as soon as next week.
    Hereís the most plausible take I have come up with...
    ...and itís more positive than negative.

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    Mueller, as we know, is a Special Counsel not a Special Prosecutor.
    He was appointed as a specific result of Comey being fired and was effectively tasked with playing a role closer to a head of the FBI than a federal prosecutor.
    His role is primarily investigatory.

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    We all see Mueller as more of a prosecutor than a head of the FBI though... even though his primary credential for the Special Counsel role post-Comey was his tenure as the Director of the FBI BEFORE
    When you view Muellerís work through that lens it makes more sense.

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    Mueller has been tasked with unraveling Russian election interference and any involvement by the Trump campaign.
    That is, overseeing the investigation right up to the point of potentially recommending charges and prosecutions... and then handing over the findings.

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    Thatís less toothless than it sounds. While it doesnít feel like a route to justice, it is no different than how the FBI typically works.
    The FBI doesnít prosecute per se. They unravel crimes and then engage prosecutors to seek indictments and pursue prosecutions.

    5/
    In a way, weíve all been conditioned to see Mueller as a one-stop investigator/prosecutor.
    Weíve seen his work produce a long list of high-profile indictments and, naturally, played that forward to expect heíd drop indictments all the way to the Oval Office.

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    However, if you look at those indictments through the above lens (Mueller as investigator not prosecutor) it seems clear he has primarily targeted valuable sources of further information.
    He hasnít indicted any dead ends.
    He has targeted people with something to offer.

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    It started with Flynn and Papadopoulos. Then Gates and Manafort. Then Cohen. Now Stone.
    He has targeted people with info and significant incentive to give it up.
    He has skipped people who will likely never roll over on Trump - like Junior.

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    In other words, he has been pursuing indictments as INVESTIGATIVE TOOL first rather than as prosecution end points.
    Muellerís explicit task was to unravel the full story of Russiaís election meddling and the Trump campís involvement.q
    Thatís what he has been doing.

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    His task was never to oversee both the unraveling of the story AND the prosecutions of all identified law-breakers because again, heís a proxy for Comey... not the Attoeney General.
    Which brings us to the news reports that heís wrapping up his work and drafting a report...

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    Following the above line of thinking, Muellerís work would be completed when he felt he had satisfactorily completed the investigation.
    That is, when he had unraveled the story to the point of being able to lay it out in detail supported by evidence.

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    If Mueller has reached the point of writing a report, it means he feels he has gathered all the evidence he needs to lay out the full Trump-Russia narrative.
    That is not only not a bad thing; it represents an inflection point that will be nerve-racking but likely positive.

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    Mueller having a comprehensive story to tell is the tipping point.
    Itís the moment when we go from a slow drip-drip-drip of indictments to a firehose of information on the whole sordid affair.

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    Before going further, letís take one quick side trip to something Andrew McCabe revealed this week...
    In multiple interviews, McCabe explained that his primary focus in the days before Mueller joined was on Trump-proofing the evidence and investigations.

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    Meaning, making it impossible for Trump or his allies to bury or destroy evidence or kill the investigation in one fell swoop.
    McCabe hasnít explained what steps the FBI took but we can make an educated guess.

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    The most logical way IMHO would be to both federate and matrix the work.

    Meaning:
    1) Federate - distribute portions of the investigations to multiple teams in multiple places
    2) Matrix - interlace the work across those teams so each was working as a leader and contributor

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    By both distributing investigative work to multiple groups and having those multiple groups working collaboratively, investigations and evidence couldnít be ďdisappearedĒ without essentially shutting down everyone and everything.
    Firing one person wouldnít help...

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    Bringing it back around to Mueller...
    Again, he was the former Director of the FBI.
    It is absolutely impossible to believe that McCabe didnít both brief him on those safeguards and work with him to strengthen them over the past 21 months.

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    A logical way to do that?
    Distribute the myriad cases resulting from Muellerís work back down into the FBI.
    Federate and matrix.
    Doing so would eliminate the risk that justice could be thwarted by merely burying Muellerís report.

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    If Muellerís report died in William Barrís bottom drawer, Justice would die along with it.
    If each chargeable offense was independently being pushed forward by the FBI / DOJ prosecutors, Barr would have to thwart case after case after case one by one.
    Too public to stand.

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    This is already too long, so Iíll wrap it up...
    If Mueller is truly writing his report, we can anxiously await its arrival with eagerness rather than dread.
    It will likely be comprehensive, damning and obstruction-proof.
    It isnít an endpoint. Itís the turbo moment.

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    Trump sees the Mueller report as the final chapter. A retrospective summary. A backward-looking document.
    Instead, itíll likely be an analysis and roadmap. Itíll lay out the myriad cases against myriad actors...
    ...and itíll make clear those cases are already en route.

    22/
    Donít lose sleep worrying about the Mueller investigation or report.
    The train canít be stopped at this point.
    One big reason: it isnít one train. Itís myriad trains on myriad tracks overseen by engineers far smarter than the orange-faced doofus in a conductorís hat.

    23/23

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    Oh well there goes any chance kamehmeha harris had at running for democrat candidate

    Her own father thinks she's a looney tunes character

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    Also, lol that tweet has aged super well jessie!

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    *Warning: video involves a shooting, while graphic, it involves no gore*



    ICE is grateful the deputy involved in this shooting was not harmed during this attack,” the agency said in a statement. “It’s unfortunate that our law enforcement partners and the community are subjected to dangerous consequences because of inflexible state laws that protect criminal aliens.”

    “This incident may have been prevented if ICE had been notified about any of the multiple times Hernandez-Morales was released from local custody over the last few years. This is an impactful, scary example of how public safety is affected by laws or policies limiting local law enforcement agencies’ ability to cooperate with ICE.
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    What do you guys think about local authorities not co-operating with ICE, or informing them when they are about to release an illegal immigrant who has been arrested for violent crimes? Or any crimes at all? When you have illegal immigrant repeat offenders, who end up killing someone, it must be a pretty bitter pill for victims families to swallow. Luckily in this case the officer wasn't killed.

    Madness or working as intended?

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    Why does Trump call the fake news, the enemy of the people?

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    Lying by omission.
    Being selective about what makes front page and what should be buried.

    See it for you own eyes at nzherald.co.nz - the story worth linking to from the entertainment section on the 'online front page' is about fox news host Tucker ****ing Carlson.
    Is the Tucker Carlson story likely to get more clicks than an actor faking a hate crime and getting arrested for it?

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    Why does Trump call the fake news, the enemy of the people?

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    What does some unknown actor making shit up have to do with democracy?

    Neither story is particularly interesting tbh

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    I can always count on you to sit on the fence, old reliable sorceror. A natural born leader of men.

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    usurper wrote:
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    source

    What do you guys think about local authorities not co-operating with ICE, or informing them when they are about to release an illegal immigrant who has been arrested for violent crimes? Or any crimes at all? When you have illegal immigrant repeat offenders, who end up killing someone, it must be a pretty bitter pill for victims families to swallow. Luckily in this case the officer wasn't killed.

    Madness or working as intended?
    wait, so when they released him they just released him back out into the public? thats pretty ****ed, if hes an illegal immigrant surely he should be either returned to the other side of the border or handed over to ICE, isnt that how it works like everywhere else in the world?

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    usurper wrote:

    See it for you own eyes at nzherald.co.nz - the story worth linking to from the entertainment section on the 'online front page' is about fox news host Tucker ****ing Carlson.
    Is the Tucker Carlson story likely to get more clicks than an actor faking a hate crime and getting arrested for it?

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    Why does Trump call the fake news, the enemy of the people?
    Carlson getting owned is way more interesting because he's such a giant ****.

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    Edward Diego wrote:
    Carlson getting owned is way more interesting because he's such a giant ****.
    It’s because 99% of people don’t know who the fook Jussie smullet was until a week ago
    You’re less likely to see articles about nobodies

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    WillAY wrote:
    Setting aside the (likely) innefective nature of the wall,
    ineffective? fkn lol try telling Israel that their wall is ineffective they will laugh in your face. Did you not read the fox news article that Sirgrim posted how the old fence is always breached with battery-operated saws. http://www.fox5ny.com/news/work-begi...l-in-san-diego So its not just about symbolism. And can you at least try to use correct spelling.

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    Israel has a concrete wall.

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    St4lk3r wrote:
    wait, so when they released him they just released him back out into the public? thats pretty ****ed, if hes an illegal immigrant surely he should be either returned to the other side of the border or handed over to ICE, isnt that how it works like everywhere else in the world?
    Happens all the time in 'Sanctuary Cities', and even by Judges who are extra lenient on rulings, specifically when the accused is an illegal alien.

    I wonder which party supports Sanctuary Cities?
    Is it racist to oppose Sanctuary Cities?

    Here's a video of families sharing their experiences, losing a loved one to an illegal alien who should have been deported.


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    Mutton wrote:
    Israel has a concrete wall.
    Doesn't keep out Zombies though.

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    Mutton wrote:
    Israel has a concrete wall.
    So what, The mexican crims still wouldn't be be able to simply cut thru it as easily as the old fencing. I would hardly call it ineffective.

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    They'll simply climb over the ineffective fence as already demonstrated.

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    i literally posted a video of it yesterday.

    also "mexican crims" - look at the state of you Thunderstorm. my dog is more intelligent than you.

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    usurper wrote:
    I can always count on you to sit on the fence, old reliable sorceror. A natural born leader of men.
    and I can count on you to post disingenuous bullshit - a natural born shit weasel.

    you talk about fake news, how about Fox barely mentioning the massive republican voter fraud and impending re-election going on in NC - that's an actual political topic which is very relevant to people in the USA (instead of celebrity gossip about tucker carlson or some actor)

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    Mutton wrote:
    They'll simply climb over the ineffective fence as already demonstrated.
    Yes its possible but as already mentioned Trump is throwing in more resources so there will motion detectors. cameras and more people watching via satellite to prevent this.

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    sorceror wrote:
    i literally posted a video of it yesterday.

    also "mexican crims" - look at the state of you Thunderstorm. my dog is more intelligent than you.
    You posted a video of an area that has not yet been reinforced.

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    sorceror wrote:
    you talk about fake news, how about Fox barely mentioning the massive republican voter fraud and impending re-election going on in NC - that's an actual political topic which is very relevant to people in the USA (instead of celebrity gossip about tucker carlson or some actor)
    Or how about Trump cabinet member Alex Acosta? A judge has found that he broke the law to protect Jeffrey Epstein, a wealthy sex trafficker.
    https://amp.miamiherald.com/news/sta...226577419.html

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    gneiss wrote:
    https://twitter.com/msnbc/status/109...212545536?s=21

    It’s been fact checked, some might find this little vid interesting
    Not sure what the point of this nitpicking from msnbc is, I posted in here a vid a few days ago that there is new wall going up.

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    gneiss wrote:
    Or how about Trump cabinet member Alex Acosta? A judge has found that he broke the law to protect Jeffrey Epstein, a wealthy sex trafficker.
    https://amp.miamiherald.com/news/sta...226577419.html
    Fox did have this guy on Laura Ingram’s show though, he’s a regular Fox contributor.
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