A thread to discuss how ****ed up America is. (No Posts About The Wall)

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    https://www.truthorfiction.com/did-t...der-with-iraq/

    The spending bill was not legislation to construct a wall between Jordan and Iraq — it was a vote to fund dozens of federal government agencies and departments, including the Department of Defense.
    In its full context, the referenced funding was for coalition efforts in combating Islamic State advancement in the region; the funds were not earmarked specifically to construct a wall in Jordan, and no such language appeared in the omnibus, although "border security" was mentioned:

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    NaCh0 wrote:
    honest question why do you bother? We know how the argument plays out every time whether its thunderstorm, slicksta or any other right wingers.
    actually I'm now asking myself the same question why do I bother arguing with ClavulanateV2 ?


    ClavulanateV2 wrote:
    Thunderstorm wrote:
    Trump has other pieces he can play in the chess game, like declaring emergency to get the barrier wall funds.
    Odd that he hasn't done that yet... almost as if he knows it's a ****ing terrible idea and would get him absolutely wrecked
    ClavulanateV2 wrote:
    also can't wait for the reeeeeeeeeeeeeeee'ing from Thunderstorm, other Trumpers & Trump himself when Trumps "I didn't need to do this" comment comes back to bite him in the ass in court over the national emergency, what an absolute moron
    But I will certainly be reposting these false claim's of his tho after trump wins in the supreme court, have a good evening folks

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    bradc wrote:
    It's arguably not a left or right wing idea.
    From an American point of view this is what he was suggesting
    I mean I am pro public health care as well is this also a right wing idea from an American standpoint?

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    This what pisses me off not only the US tax payers paid for that wall they also paid for the wall on Israels border with Lebanon because US tax payers gives Israel billions of dollars each year for defence and yet they can't build a wall on their own border with mexico without having shitfights with the Dem's

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    Thunderstorm wrote:
    This what pisses me off not only the US tax payers paid for that wall they also paid for the wall on Israels border with Lebanon because US tax payers gives Israel billions of dollars each year for defence and yet they can't build a wall on their own border with mexico without having shitfights with the Dem's
    Have you read the facts or just the text box in the picture?

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    ^ Yet 71% of US Jews voted for Hillary. https://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org...tial-elections

    No surprises. Time for the US to cut some funding to Israel

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    Thunderstorm wrote:
    This what pisses me off not only the US tax payers paid for that wall they also paid for the wall on Israels border with Lebanon because US tax payers gives Israel billions of dollars each year for defence and yet they can't build a wall on their own border with mexico without having shitfights with the Dem's
    They should've just built the wall and set up free healthcare and taken it straight out of the military budget.

    Imagine if they'd immediately started building the wall 2 years ago, we'd be what 20% done?

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    CODChimera wrote:
    They should've just built the wall and set up free healthcare and taken it straight out of the military budget.

    Imagine if they'd immediately started building the wall 2 years ago, we'd be what 20% done?
    I imagine they could have got it all done with Republican majority in the house and senate, oh wait.......

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    Btw Thunderstorm et al. Thoughts on Trump immediately heading off golfing after declaring a national emergency?

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    swazi wrote:
    ^ Yet 71% of US Jews voted for Hillary. https://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org...tial-elections

    No surprises. Time for the US to cut some funding to Israel
    Probably because the Dems are also fine with Israel's ongoing genocide of the Palestinian people, they should cut all funding to Israel tbh

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    ClavulanateV2 wrote:
    Thoughts on Trump immediately heading off golfing after declaring a national emergency?
    Par for the course...


















    Sorry I couldn't resist, much like mister grabby hands himself around hot women.

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    Vulcan wrote:
    You also have to be careful as you confuse different behaviours with religious beliefs when they are more tribal traditions. I also find it ironic we take such great offense when male genital mutilation is just accepted in western culture.

    Localisation of all religions often rolls up local beliefs and practices. Christianity and Buddhism are the same.
    Traditions and religion are usually intertwined.

    Vulcan wrote:
    It is kind of an out there statement, that said a friend of mine from france says the place is going downhill rapidly with immigrants. She is also the polar opposite of me (a leftie vegan even!). She describes it as it not being friendly any more and she feels unsafe all the time.

    Stats show france has roughly 8.8% muslim population (5.5m), USA has 1.1%. Though latest numbers have France at 8.8m so maybe it's more like 12% now?
    Not surprised.

    gneiss wrote:
    I have Italian and German friends that have the same message. I reckon that itís more to do with flooding the countries with poor refugees than it is to do with their religion. Also, youíve got some countries that have had a stable, unchanging culture for over 1000 years. That is now being quickly altered.
    I don't know about that. Their religion has opposing values and beliefs.

    CODChimera wrote:
    What? The US drone strikes a shitload of civilians. Not to mention the arms selling and domestic terrorism.
    That's a government. They all do that. You can hardly say that Europeans are bombing huge numbers.

    gneiss wrote:
    Meanwhile, a new conservative (hero?) rises to try and grab whatís remaining of the old GOP and those in the centre.

    Attachment 225142
    I really hope the arms control reform doesn't get stopped. The new 500 itar limit and the ability to buy receivers and barrels etc without an export permit is going to be amazing. I'd be able to buy cheap ar15's

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    VICE: Human trafficking, Drug smuggling, Weapons smuggling, Illegal crossings etc don't exist because we can't see it

    Next VICE video: We spent a day at the local highschool, no students were shot - confirmed hypothesis that school shootings are a hoax because we can't see it

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    How cute. You should watch the video.

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    Mutton wrote:
    How cute. You should watch the video.
    What for? it doesn't prove anything.

    edit, be better to watch this video instead.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VgQUby6bT-4
    Last edited by Thunderstorm; 18th February 2019 at 12:11 pm.

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    CODChimera wrote:
    They should've just built the wall and set up free healthcare and taken it straight out of the military budget.

    Imagine if they'd immediately started building the wall 2 years ago, we'd be what 20% done?
    They started building sections of it in important places along the border in late 2017-2018. here is one example in one location to watch. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cL08sbhHzRA I didn't know about new sections going up until I saw trump mention it on twitter a few months ago. Its had very little media coverage which is not surprising.

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    SirGrim wrote:
    VICE: Human trafficking, Drug smuggling, Weapons smuggling, Illegal crossings etc don't exist because we can't see it

    Next VICE video: We spent a day at the local highschool, no students were shot - confirmed hypothesis that school shootings are a hoax because we can't see it
    Thunderstorm wrote:
    What for? it doesn't prove anything.
    Guys quick question on the wall seeing as the anti trump crowed don't seem to like being civil.

    How much will the wall stop in terms of drugs/human smuggling and illegal immigration? I am curious because I have read numbers all over the place from various sources.

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    Thunderstorm complaining about lack of proof, that’s hilarious. How do trade deals work and how is Mexico paying for the wall?

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    SL1CKSTA wrote:
    Guys quick question on the wall seeing as the anti trump crowed don't seem to like being civil.

    How much will the wall stop in terms of drugs/human smuggling and illegal immigration? I am curious because I have read numbers all over the place from various sources.
    It will stop most of the illegal activities, put it this way, criminals will no longer be able to simply drive thru the border in places where there was no fencing, they will no longer be able to simply climb over the low fences in areas that have been replaced by a much higher steel wall so they would have to start using very long ladders if they were to start climbing over it. But because there is more money now going into border security there will be more motion detectors in hot spot areas and more people watching the border via satellite to counter attack anyone trying to climb over. There will be a few crim's who will try to dig tunnels under the wall, But they will start using new technology to find /detect and destroy the tunnels just like Israel has been doing on their borders with gaza and lebanon. It will also help out border agents, If you watch my first video the female border agent was saying it would be helpful if there was a stronger see thru wall. I think trumps new walls will stop about 80-90 percent of illegal activities on the border.

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    Thunderstorm wrote:
    It will stop most of the illegal activities, put it this way, criminals will no longer be able to simply drive thru the border in places where there was no fencing, they will no longer be able to simply climb over the low fences in areas that have been replaced by a much higher steel wall so they would have to start using very long ladders if they were to start climbing over it. But because there is more money now going into border security there will be more motion detectors in hot spot areas and more people watching the border via satellite to counter attack anyone trying to climb over. There will be a few crim's who will try to dig tunnels under the wall, But they will start using new technology to find /detect and destroy the tunnels just like Israel has been doing on their borders with gaza and lebanon. It will also help out border agents, If you watch my first video the female border agent was saying it would be helpful if there was a stronger see thru wall. I think trumps new walls will stop about 80-90 percent of illegal activities on the border.
    Got any sources for these claims? Statistics show that illegal crossings have actually been steadily declining.

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    ErAd wrote:
    Got any sources for these claims? Statistics show that illegal crossings have actually been steadily declining.
    I didn't post any stat numbers so providing sources is not needed, But instead can you back up your claim and provide sources of illegal crossings declining?

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    Thunderstorm wrote:
    I didn't post any stat numbers so providing sources is not needed, But instead can you back up your claim and provide sources of illegal crossings declining?
    Someone please do this they are easy to find via dea/ice. I'm on phone else I would

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    There's even a Trump tweet from last year saying the illegal crossings are at the lowest point in 45 years or something