A thread to discuss how Jacinda will make NZ Choice again

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    Esprit wrote:
    But the house you're buying has also gone up, so you couldn't afford to move house without downgrading to an inferior house or paying more money out of your own pocket just to stand still.

    The government ends up taking a cut out of each sale in that respect.
    The trade-off being if we could slow down the property market to the inflation rate then CGT would be irrelevant (assuming it factors in inflation).

    The average kiwi that had 100k in 2013 and saved 25% of his pay packet since then is moving backwards/breaking even on his purchasing power for a house and meanwhile his rent is up 30%+.

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    Bobs wrote:
    Because you're buying in the same market you genius. If the house price has gone up and you make a profit, you need to use that profit to buy another house. It's not like you're cashing out.
    Depends if you have some sort of retarded obsession that bigger and more is always better. Cashing out is way more sensible.

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    brand wrote:
    If you sell your home in order to buy another one you hilariously end up paying the Government just because you moved house.
    If you generated a heap of extra wealth for piss all effort that should probably be taxed the same or more than the poor prick making your combo meal at Maccas.

    Hard work sucks dick and isn't for everyone. Owning capital is where the smart money is at and should be taxed along similar or greater lines.

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    >tax all the things
    No.

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    Lethargic wrote:
    >tax all the things
    No.
    yeah until we guillotine the bourgeoisie we should look towards decreasingly taxing labour and moving it towards taxing capital heavily as a short term reform

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    Thought it as a very powerful speech Jacinda gave tonight at a time when the nation needed it most to condemn what occurred today.

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    She has been everything you could expect in a great leader at this time imo

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    I agree and reading some comments from foreign Muslims and others on comments section from her press conference videos, made me very proud of the way she has conducted herself and presented us to the world.

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    It's a great thing to see a leader that is able to show compassion.

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    Yep shes doing a good job I wonder if she will have a press conference with the Turkish delegation?

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    But would you have a beer with her?

    Really the only thing that counts.

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    I'll judge her in her long term response to this. John Key also provided great leadership during hard times, but in my opinion mostly failed with the follow up

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    massive wrote:
    As Frio pointed out they are quite dissimilar. Also if one actually looks at GDPs, instead of just spouting out bs retoric that you heard somewhere, you'd see that the scandinavian countries are not overly richer than nz. Finland has the same GDPpp as nz, both Sweden and Denmark have GPDpp similar to aus, and then there's the outlier Norway, which has not got it's wealth from anything other than it's proximity to oil. Also if you're going to try and dismiss their social and economic models as something to not garner any possible positive lessons from, simply because it's their geographic placement that's lead to their relative prosperity, I'm afraid you're going to have to explain to me why the Italian and Greek models have lead to them being such booming economic juggernauts considering their proximity to Western Europe. Actually an explanation on that for every European country outside of the biggest 6 or 7 of them. Pretty lame explanation for wealth if you ask me.

    You're right that they are very much free market economies, by some measures a lot more than others. But they tax the shit out of everything to the point where one can question whether it's just indirect socialism.
    I got my information from the OECD website. When it comes to GDP per capita Finland is 5K ahead of NZ, the rest are 10K+ ahead of NZ which isn't really the same at all, and that's before we even get into population.

    https://data.oecd.org/gdp/gross-dome...roduct-gdp.htm

    For the 2nd paragraph. Free Market, so not socialist? Great that's what I've been saying (I'd agree with mixed economy).

    As for Greece, funny you should mention that. I did a quick 10 minutes of reading and the gist that I got was that the country spent beyond it's means, and loaned itself up to the eyeballs, so bad economic management. Also turns out its a bit socialist, and not very free market.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_socialist_states

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    bradc wrote:
    But would you have a beer with her?

    Really the only thing that counts.
    I think she is more in to her whisky...

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    Scary to think how Bridges would have handled it.

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    Zarkov wrote:
    Scary to think how Bridges would have handled it.
    Slap that on a billboard come election time.

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    Indigo1 wrote:
    I think she is more in to her whisky...
    In her tits?

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    Zarkov wrote:
    Scary to think how Bridges would have handled it.
    He would’ve had the same/as many advisors around him so probably similar. Delivery may not have come across as sincere though.

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    Simon doesn't inspire much but I agree with Indigo there. I'm quite impressed how Jacinda is handling it.

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    Indigo1 wrote:
    He would’ve had the same/as many advisors around him so probably similar. Delivery may not have come across as sincere though.
    SImon Bridges not come across as sincere???

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    CODChimera wrote:
    SImon Bridges not come across as sincere???
    He's got a tough job coming across as human.

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    He reminds me of a Spitting Image puppet, a caricature of himself.

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    Frederick James wrote:
    He reminds me of a Spitting Image puppet, a caricature of himself.
    I actually heard someone parodying him before I heard anything he said with his own mouth. I initially thought the parody was way over the top, and that no one really talks that way, let alone a politician who made leader of their party in part because he's supposed to be at least a little bit charismatic.

    But I was wrong. He sounds like a ridiculous caricature too.

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    Jacinda Ardern has no experience dealing with economics and just relies heavily on her advisors, which essentially is her downfall.

    She is out of touch wiht the ordinary people and farmers (like myself). People dont realise fertiliser and spray cost astronomical amounts.

    Think hundreds of thousands of $$$ per year....

    Then you got maintance on machinery etc... which can be really costly tens of thousands...

    transportation for your goods... tens of thousands per year....

    It's not like all farmers go around driving Ferraris or Lambos..

    Not at all, and here is Labour ready to suck the farmers even drier.

    VOTE THEM OUT NOW!