A thread to discuss how Jacinda will make NZ Choice again

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    ClavulanateV2 wrote:
    have you fired a 300BLK? The rounds drops like lead balloons. The energy delivery is actually comparable due to ke = 0.5mv^2 but anyways. The round is best suited to an AR-15 pistol in a role similar to how the MP5 was used in CT operations i.e. CQB but with the added advantage of being able to swap to supersonics for some extra knock down power.

    also the ammo is way too expensive for it to become a standard service round.
    It's just a 223 case necked up. Piece of piss. And if it is a military round it'll be cheap.

    They should go to 6.5 Grendel and creed more. Much better cartridges and ballistics than the current ones.

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    Mr sika wrote:
    It's just a 223 case necked up. Piece of piss. And if it is a military round it'll be cheap.

    They should go to 6.5 Grendel and creed more. Much better cartridges and ballistics than the current ones.

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    I know what it is, I own one. The ammo is pricey, that's just a fact and a consideration for countries picking it up. And the only ones that have are for SOF use anyway.

    also why use 6.5 when you can just use 7.62x51

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    Ohhh what have you got? An AR setup?

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    Interesting to note that Jacinda had her baby recently using the private system while all the press-releases mentioned only midwives, implying that she's gone through the public system. Found it quite amusing that here's a openly socialist-leaning Labour leader who shuns the public health system, deeming it only good enough for the hoi polloi. Not saying that she shouldn't be able to choose to go private if she wants, but to represent it like she's used the public system like Joe & Jill average is pretty disingenuous.

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    As well as being able to afford private, she probably had to do it privately for security reasons. You're having a laugh.

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    Esprit wrote:
    Interesting to note that Jacinda had her baby recently using the private system while all the press-releases mentioned only midwives, implying that she's gone through the public system. Found it quite amusing that here's a openly socialist-leaning Labour leader who shuns the public health system, deeming it only good enough for the hoi polloi. Not saying that she shouldn't be able to choose to go private if she wants, but to represent it like she's used the public system like Joe & Jill average is pretty disingenuous.
    She gave birth at Auckland City Hospital, which is public. Where'd you read this, Whale Oil or something?

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    As what gwarden said, all the articles said she gave birth in a public hospital

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    Google doesn't even return any results for keywords "Ardern baby private" so Esprit must be either reading some really obscure, factually incorrect blogs, listening to some really dumb people, or just assume that nobody would call him on his fake news bullshit.

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    whingEsprit

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    Well, it turns out he really is having a laugh.

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    This is how false narratives get planted in the public consciousness and it is a very deliberate right wing tactic. The National Party does it a lot when they talk about how much or how little the Labour government is spending, where they literally use made-up numbers. The Trump Administration uses it every single day. It hardly matters if it is easily debunkable. The whole point is to just muddy the waters and appeal to the people who won't bother to do any further research.

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    Yeah, well, to be honest I voted Labour and I'm a bit of a fan, but I didn't follow the birth thing at all. I assumed she would have cranked it out in a private hospital.

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    Of course she had to push it out prior to the nurses strike. Typical lizard person move

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    She did give birth in Auckland Hospital, using private Obstetrician. As I said, nothing wrong in that at all, many people do this, but the narrative in the newspapers mentioned midwives only as per the public system.

    If going private you still use the Auckland hospital as a location (well actually you can use anywhere you like, but the hospital is the place everyone chooses, since they have all the best facilities) but the people who look after you are private

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    This is not unusual though. When my wife gave birth we used the midwifes both times but they offered an obstetrician for a fee. Obviously an emergency would require the on call obstetrician.

    Actually had three midwifes for two births. First midwife (a man) was pretty decent. Second midwife for our second was shit and dismissive so we ditched the saggy old crone and went with the hospital midwife who was A+.

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    Esprit wrote:
    She did give birth in Auckland Hospital, using private Obstetrician. As I said, nothing wrong in that at all, many people do this, but the narrative in the newspapers mentioned midwives only as per the public system.

    If going private you still use the Auckland hospital as a location (well actually you can use anywhere you like, but the hospital is the place everyone chooses, since they have all the best facilities) but the people who look after you are private
    Are you upset at the prime minister for the way the media has reported on her giving birth?

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    i still find it strange when i hear about births not being done by gynecologists

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    Nobody said it was unusual, it's just not a midwife delivery as stated in the press. The system she went through is a private practice. You go into labour, and you call your OB and he meets you at the hospital and you're taken care of by them from that moment. It's a very different experience to what your average state-sponsored birth is.

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    what is the reason for doing this? do private hospitals not do births?

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    Yeah they do, there are birthing centres around too. Hospitals are the best equipped in the case of complications. It can also be a matter of proximity, or urgency. e.g. If you call an ambulance for assistance it's not going to take you to a private clinic.

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    I've had medical insurance all my life, my kids had private obstetricians, why wouldn't professional woman like her have it also?

    I'm sure Auckland hospital was adequately compensated,.

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    Vulcan wrote:
    Ohhh what have you got? An AR setup?
    yes

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    Esprit wrote:
    Nobody said it was unusual, it's just not a midwife delivery as stated in the press. The system she went through is a private practice. You go into labour, and you call your OB and he meets you at the hospital and you're taken care of by them from that moment. It's a very different experience to what your average state-sponsored birth is.
    Yeah this really. A private OB will usually use a public hospital and they can often also work for the public system.

    It would stand to reason that some people value a private OB over a public midwife but I imagine just like private schools the real world outcomes wouldnt differ so much.

    Being PM I imagine they'd be taking as much precaution as possible. Plus otherwise people would just be able to celebrate the PM having a baby, which is no where near as sexy as having a moan about how she's a hypocrite.

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    SirGrim wrote:
    i still find it strange when i hear about births not being done by gynecologists
    Wut? Many births only have a midwife.