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    NZ v India

    Okay - the result of this series is next to meaningless because -

    Bumrah is not playing. I repeat - Bumrah, the fastet current Indian seamer and the best death with yorker and slower ball limited overs bowler in the world, is not playing.

    If NZ lose this series - don't take time off work for the World Cup #just saying...

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    Paddles wrote:
    Okay - the result of this series is next to meaningless because -

    Bumrah is not playing. I repeat - Bumrah, the fastet current Indian seamer and the best death with yorker and slower ball limited overs bowler in the world, is not playing.

    If NZ lose this series - don't take time off work for the World Cup #just saying...
    Thanks for starting this thread, just a quick hint that the Opening Post for a tour or series on this web site is supposed to, by convention, have the schedule in it so we can easily refer to it.

    I'll post it shortly however.

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    Tour Schedule

    23 JAN
    BLACKCAPS v India
    India tour of New Zealand 2018-19 – One Day International – First One Day International
    McLean Park –Wednesday, 23 January 2019, 3pm

    26JAN
    BLACKCAPS v India
    India tour of New Zealand 2018-19 – One Day International – Second One Day International
    Bay Oval –Saturday, 26 January 2019, 3pm

    28 JAN
    BLACKCAPS v India
    India tour of New Zealand 2018-19 – One Day International – Third One Day International
    Bay Oval –Monday, 28 January 2019, 3pm

    31 JAN
    BLACKCAPS v India
    India tour of New Zealand 2018-19 – One Day International – Fourth One Day International
    Seddon Park –Thursday, 31 January 2019, 3pm

    03 FEB
    BLACKCAPS v India
    India tour of New Zealand 2018-19 – One Day International – Fifth One Day International
    Westpac Stadium –Sunday, 3 February 2019, 3pm

    06 FEB
    BLACKCAPS v India
    India tour of New Zealand 2018-19 – Twenty20 International – First Twenty20 International
    Westpac Stadium –Wednesday, 6 February 2019, 8pm

    08 FEB
    BLACKCAPS v India
    India tour of New Zealand 2018-19 – Twenty20 International – Second Twenty20 International
    Eden Park –Friday, 8 February 2019, 7pm

    10 FEB
    BLACKCAPS v India
    India tour of New Zealand 2018-19 – Twenty20 International – Third Twenty20 International
    Seddon Park –Sunday, 10 February 2019, 8pm

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    wrighty wrote:
    Thanks for starting this thread, just a quick hint that the Opening Post for a tour or series on this web site is supposed to, by convention, have the schedule in it so we can easily refer to it.

    I'll post it shortly however.
    Okay - good to know and makes sense. I will adhere to this in future.

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    I'll be at the one at Seddon Park

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    Black Plague*** wrote:
    I'll be at the one at Seddon Park
    I am going on Feb 3rd to Westpac.

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    Paddles wrote:
    Okay - the result of this series is next to meaningless because -

    Bumrah is not playing. I repeat - Bumrah, the fastet current Indian seamer and the best death with yorker and slower ball limited overs bowler in the world, is not playing.

    If NZ lose this series - don't take time off work for the World Cup #just saying...
    Sounds like you're more disappointed about him not playing against us than anything else, if a team has to rely on one player then it's not much chop as a team, not going to make that big a diff to them as we all know they have a ton of class in their squad... the worry for me is our bowling attack with all the garbage we've bowled lately.

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    2 games in a row at Bay Oval and none at Hagley

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    Paddles wrote:
    Okay - the result of this series is next to meaningless because -

    Bumrah is not playing. I repeat - Bumrah, the fastet current Indian seamer and the best death with yorker and slower ball limited overs bowler in the world, is not playing.

    If NZ lose this series - don't take time off work for the World Cup #just saying...
    Who cares, lol. He was playing last series in India and we so nearly won that series... losing the decider by 6 runs. The series before that we pushed them to a decider away again, they won 3-2. About time we played them in NZ again as we won 4-0 last time, with a tie. Kane scored a 50 in every of the 5 ODI's.

    Still a bloody strong Indian squad. We were without Kane and Ross at times in the ODI's vs England, just gotta get on with it. Means very little for the World Cup at this stage. Our form wasn't even that great going into the last WC, SA beat us at home. Elliot was recalled to boo's, Boult was only just making his way in the ODI team. Our team is far better placed right now than we were in 2015.
    Last edited by <N>; 9th January 2019 at 6:10 pm.

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    <N> wrote:
    Who cares, lol. He was playing last series in India and we so nearly won that series... losing the decider by 6 runs. The series before that we pushed them to a decider away again, they won 3-2. About time we played them in NZ again as we won 4-0 last time, with a tie. Kane scored a 50 in every of the 5 ODI's.
    I care - Bumrah has completely changed the Indian weakness of death bowling into their strength with Kohli.

    Bumrah as a death bowler - playing in endless 300+ score games - has an e/r of 4.44 career and 4.42 against NZL.

    The guy has taken India from a chasing team only - to able to defend totals now. You know what his economy rate last year was?

    3.62. I am serious. 3.62! And wickets.

    How is NZL going to gauge its middle order contenders when they're being picked to deal with Starc, Bumrah, Archer and Rabada yorkers... and some of them have never faced yorkers at that pace or accuracy until they're at the World Cup, or not faced it in years before hand. Yes Kumar has a good yorker too, but he's less accurate and less fast than Bumrah with it. Its like comparing Bradman's batting to Ponsford's.

    And why does every team seem to have a specialist death or containing bowler - bar NZ? This is really annoying. Surely some coach out there can say to some limited talent paceman - hey look there's millions in the IPL for bowling yorkers at pace and slower balls.

    Anyway rant over. I am sure after Perera and S Kaul - Stead will know what type of bowling the World Cup questions NZ's batting with and make the right selections...

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    Paddles wrote:
    I care - Bumrah has completely changed the Indian weakness of death bowling into their strength with Kohli.

    Bumrah as a death bowler - playing in endless 300+ score games - has an e/r of 4.44 career and 4.42 against NZL.

    The guy has taken India from a chasing team only - to able to defend totals now. You know what his economy rate last year was?

    3.62. I am serious. 3.62! And wickets.

    How is NZL going to gauge its middle order contenders when they're being picked to deal with Starc, Bumrah, Archer and Rabada yorkers... and some of them have never faced yorkers at that pace or accuracy until they're at the World Cup, or not faced it in years before hand. Yes Kumar has a good yorker too, but he's less accurate and less fast than Bumrah with it. Its like comparing Bradman's batting to Ponsford's.

    And why does every team seem to have a specialist death or containing bowler - bar NZ? This is really annoying. Surely some coach out there can say to some limited talent paceman - hey look there's millions in the IPL for bowling yorkers at pace and slower balls.

    Anyway rant over. I am sure after Perera and S Kaul - Stead will know what type of bowling the World Cup questions NZ's batting with and make the right selections...
    So if Bumrah is injured - India have no show at the WC too? They lost to Pakistan in the CT final with Bumrah. He got 0-68 off 9 that day, where the WC will be.

    Seems to have been SO long since Starc was an ODI threat, he seems to be rested so often. Test bowling is killing his ODI game for sure, the game he is far better at. Let's see if it will affect Bumrah too, well - it already has... since he's missing.

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    I don't believe test cricket is killing Starc's limited overs bowling for his yorker at all. Its still on point. But i very much agree tthat test cricket means he is playing less IPL and limited overs cricket, though.

    That Champs Trophy final was wildly against the bookies predictions... and that's the beauty of finals cricket - someone always has a chance... but Bumrah is special - would he run into a Pakistan batting order on fire again in the final - maybe... maybe not. I bet on Bumrah and not against him... it still seems the safer bet to me.

    If India doesn't have Bumrah - their chances of winning drop massively imo... their death bowling is left wide open

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    HELL KNIGHT wrote:
    2 games in a row at Bay Oval and none at Hagley
    It'll be the timezone, NZC will want the games at night for the Indian audience.

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    #14
    There is also a rubgy versus cricket game at Hagley Oval on the 25th of January - which will be live on TV1 by the way.

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    HELL KNIGHT wrote:
    There is also a rubgy versus cricket game at Hagley Oval on the 25th of January - which will be live on TV1 by the way.
    And the ACC are doing the commentary I believe

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    #16
    Yep, the ad for it running on the Ondemand channel at the moment is with them.

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    I expect us to trial some new guys during this series.

    Santner should return, Latham will probably return. As far as I'm concerned we have multiple guys ahead of CdG now. Neesham, Bracewell and Kuggs. The latter two deserve a go.

    Would not mind seeing Henry let go, do not rate him in ODI's. Southee needs to only play a couple. Bennett should absolutely get a go, but they seem totally opposed to that idea.

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    <N> wrote:
    I expect us to trial some new guys during this series.

    Santner should return, Latham will probably return. As far as I'm concerned we have multiple guys ahead of CdG now. Neesham, Bracewell and Kuggs. The latter two deserve a go.

    Would not mind seeing Henry let go, do not rate him in ODI's. Southee needs to only play a couple. Bennett should absolutely get a go, but they seem totally opposed to that idea.
    Bennett costed us a historic test match victory in India by breaking down. He has never been forgiven.

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    wrighty wrote:
    Bennett costed us a historic test match victory in India by breaking down. He has never been forgiven.
    bah

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    #20
    going to be at the McLean park game

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    B|ind-Reaper* wrote:
    going to be at the McLean park game
    in before rain

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    The BLACKCAPS have welcomed back Mitchell Santner, Colin de Grandhomme and Tom Latham for the first three games of the five-match ODI series against India, starting in Napier next Wednesday.

    Coach Gary Stead said the composition of the squad reflected the selectors’ desire to keep their options open ahead of the World Cup, while still giving themselves the best possible chance of winning the upcoming series against Virat Kohli’s tourists.

    Todd Astle (knee) and Jimmy Neesham (hamstring) have not been included in the initial group of 14 and have been asked to prove their fitness in the Burger King Super Smash before being considered for the final two matches of the series.

    Latham and de Grandhomme both sat out the Sri Lankan white-ball series, while Santner - who last played an ODI for the BLACKCAPS against England in Christchurch last March, produced a solid performance in last Friday’s one-off T20I against Sri Lanka at Eden Park.

    Doug Bracewell, another to impress under lights on Friday evening, retains his place in the ODI squad, having not played in any of the three 50-over games against Sri Lanka.

    “Our two main priorities have been to select and prepare a squad capable of winning what is shaping as a massive series against India, and gathering as much information as possible ahead of the ICC Cricket World Cup in England and Wales”, said Stead.

    “Tom and Colin are experienced players in this format and will offer quality in their respective roles, and Mitch and Doug showed us what they are capable of during the T20 on Friday night.”

    Stead said that, all going well, Neesham and Astle would join the squad for games four and five.

    “We were impressed by Jimmy against Sri Lanka, and are keen to see more of Todd – who has a different skillset and performed well for us last year.

    “It’s just important that, after their respective injuries, we can see them playing again and be confident of bringing them back at this level.”

    BLACKCAPS ODI squad v India
    Kane Williamson (c)
    Trent Boult
    Doug Bracewell
    Colin de Grandhomme
    Lockie Ferguson
    Martin Guptill
    Matt Henry
    Tom Latham (wk)
    Colin Munro
    Henry Nicholls
    Mitchell Santner
    Ish Sodhi
    Tim Southee
    Ross Taylor

    https://www.nzc.nz/news-items/santne...turn-for-india

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    #23
    CdG coming off zero cricket against India, recipe for disaster. Hopefully he proves me wrong, but it's been a while since he had a decent innings in white-ball cricket. For a noted hitter, he gets caught on the boundary way too often.

    Keen to play two spinners though.

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    Why isn't Neesham playing in the first 3 games? Surely he's earned it?

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    Ins0mn1ac wrote:
    Why isn't Neesham playing in the first 3 games? Surely he's earned it?
    "Todd Astle (knee) and Jimmy Neesham (hamstring) have not been included in the initial group of 14 and have been asked to prove their fitness in the Burger King Super Smash before being considered for the final two matches of the series."

    Matt Henry though, cannot understand.