How do you stop the online rise of online fascism and extremism?

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    Lethargic wrote:
    The Democrats in the US at this point really are comprised of radicals. Even some of the higher ups can't relate to them.
    lmao radicals? The democrats? The side pushing slowly for things like universal healthcare, and some milquetoast gun reform, are radical?

    Jesus christ.

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    kierbear wrote:
    lmao radicals? The democrats? The side pushing slowly for things like universal healthcare, and some milquetoast gun reform, are radical?
    Yep. Contextually, in the United States, that is pretty radical.

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    lmao no it is not, read a book.

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    kierbear wrote:
    lmao no it is not, read a book.
    You have to be over 12 to post here kid.

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    Communist Party Directive, 1943: “When certain obstructionists become too irritating, label them, after suitable buildups, as fascist or Nazi or anti-Semitic, and use the prestige of antifascist and tolerance organizations to discredit them. In the public mind, constantly associate those who oppose us with those names which already have a bad smell. The association will, after enough repetition, become fact in the public mind."



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    Imagine how much better it would've been if Communism won *sigh*

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    Don't worry, communist China will probably be taking over the world in the not-too-distant future. You can do the bidding of your globalist overlords like a good little subservient commie peon.

    Dumb f*ck.

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    CODChimera wrote:
    Imagine how much better it would've been if Communism won *sigh*
    It was never going to. A fundamental issue is it's need to come off the back of revolution, so you are trying to implement a fairly complex and expensive system on a foundation of a fractured and largely impoverished society. Impossible for that to have much of a happy ending.

    Although as a small aside, the average life for a communist citizen was typically better than what it replaced. Just obviously not as good as freer societies that didn't get smashed up by revolution.

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    bradc wrote:
    It was never going to. A fundamental issue is it's need to come off the back of revolution, so you are trying to implement a fairly complex and expensive system on a foundation of a fractured and largely impoverished society. Impossible for that to have much of a happy ending.

    Although as a small aside, the average life for a communist citizen was typically better than what it replaced. Just obviously not as good as freer societies that didn't get smashed up by revolution.
    It was never going to because capitalism is simply too powerful and the elite will die before they give up that power. At the end of the day we're all going to look back and realize that we took the wrong path. It'll take some people longer to realize than others but Capitalism destroying society is pretty much locked in.

    Imagine if the US had another revolution, or at the very least wasn't so actively hostile against Communism and let countries decide their own future. The absence of anti-communism propaganda alone would've been huge. Oh well, maybe next time?

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    As a lover of history it's sad to see the reckless abandon with which communist revolutionaries systematically destroyed and suppressed a nation's culture and history wherever they infested. China once had a rich and interesting history spanning thousands of years... now the vast majority of what's left is relegated to being stored away in the National Palace Museum of Taiwan.



    wooo Nazism bad but Communism good, duuurrrrrr
    Last edited by Basileus; 12th May 2019 at 9:49 pm.

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    CODChimera wrote:
    retarded dribble
    You are an utter, utter fool. On the plus side though you're exactly the type of 'useful idiot' who would probably be second-in-line, if not first-in-line to be purged or gulag'd. So there's that at least.

    You're also a good example of why the average person really need not take anyone trying to label them as a "Nazi" seriously in any capacity whatsoever, and that the accusation holds little to no impact at all anymore, not simply due to it losing almost entirely all meaning by sheer misuse and overuse - but chances are likely that the accusation is coming from a filthy sympathizer of the equally disgusting communist ideology (which caused vastly more death and suffering than Nazism ever managed to), and it is a tactic specifically used by communists and sympathizers of communism to discredit intellectual opponents.

    I think from now on I might arbitrarily label anyone remotely on the left a dyed-in-the-wool, card-carrying commie. Time for McCarthyism 2.0 imo. It might hold not quite the same sting or weight in the mind of the public as calling someone a Nazi; but supporters of communism are equally reprehensible and should be outed and shamed/humiliated publicly.

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    Basileus wrote:
    communist ideology (which caused vastly more death and suffering than Nazism ever managed to)
    And yet Capitalism is going to kill more than both of them combined.

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    CODChimera wrote:
    And yet Capitalism is going to kill more than both of them combined.
    that not exactly an objective comparison in terms of % , time etc. Also certain events like Climate change etc is not necessarily due to the current political climate etc.

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    Bloody wrote:
    that not exactly an objective comparison in terms of % , time etc. Also certain events like Climate change etc is not necessarily due to the current political climate etc.
    And yet neither is comparing Communism deaths to Nazism deaths for those exact reasons lol. If famine deaths can be counted for Communism then climate change deaths can be counted for Capitalism. You can't pick and choose.

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    CODChimera wrote:
    And yet neither is comparing Communism deaths to Nazism deaths for those exact reasons lol. If famine deaths can be counted for Communism then climate change deaths can be counted for Capitalism. You can't pick and choose.
    Let's not forget people dying from starvation while the world has plenty of food is a failure of capitalism. People dying from lack of available healthcare is a failure of capitalism.

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    CODChimera wrote:
    And yet neither is comparing Communism deaths to Nazism deaths for those exact reasons lol. If famine deaths can be counted for Communism then climate change deaths can be counted for Capitalism. You can't pick and choose.
    Climate change cannot be attributed to Capitalism. How did you equate climate change to capitalism is beyond me , for one the main contributor to climate change is use of fossil fuels and green house gas emissions. Lets gets one thing straight, our current civilization only could advance because of our use of fossil fuels. The energy generation which jump started everything, the engines etc. Without it, we would not be where we are today. Even the ludicrous suggestion that capitalism is to blame for it is beyond me.

    that we are writing this on computers and watching this online is entirely due to the development of plastic, PCBs, energy , metallurgy etc all from oil and coal. I dunno what insane idea you think our world could be and how even capitalism even came into this bizarre idea is actually beyond me. The only thing you could possibly attribute that capitalism is to blame is that it encouraged human greed and want to push over need . Yes ultimately it is human fault and not some system of resource distribution which is why we are in this situation. Guess what, the same would have happened under any system of resource distribution. Anyone who suggests that somehow , magically, humanity would have learnt to stop being greedy has not paid attention to the history books.

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    kierbear wrote:
    Let's not forget people dying from starvation while the world has plenty of food is a failure of capitalism. People dying from lack of available healthcare is a failure of capitalism.
    .. yes, of course starvation never happened under communist governments ( under Mao's Great Leap forward had up to 30-60 million chinese starve to death , famine stalked the early USSR as well. ) . guess what saved the chinese? Yes the relaxation of communist policies and a revert to a government market ie capitalist , economy.

    as for the healthcare, have a read on this.

    https://twitter.com/countcarbon/stat...55688180989952

    note the spike in Rwanda. guess when that happened?

    as for USA. Lets be honest, capitalism has less to do with the health care and more about politics.

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    Bloody wrote:
    Climate change cannot be attributed to Capitalism. How did you equate climate change to capitalism is beyond me , for one the main contributor to climate change is use of fossil fuels and green house gas emissions. Lets gets one thing straight, our current civilization only could advance because of our use of fossil fuels. The energy generation which jump started everything, the engines etc. Without it, we would not be where we are today. Even the ludicrous suggestion that capitalism is to blame for it is beyond me.

    that we are writing this on computers and watching this online is entirely due to the development of plastic, PCBs, energy , metallurgy etc all from oil and coal. I dunno what insane idea you think our world could be and how even capitalism even came into this bizarre idea is actually beyond me. The only thing you could possibly attribute that capitalism is to blame is that it encouraged human greed and want to push over need . Yes ultimately it is human fault and not some system of resource distribution which is why we are in this situation. Guess what, the same would have happened under any system of resource distribution. Anyone who suggests that somehow , magically, humanity would have learnt to stop being greedy has not paid attention to the history books.
    You literally make connections between climate change and capitalism in your own post, more than once, and then you try to defend them with 'well there are no better alternatives' and 'but look where we got to!'

    Maybe our society shouldn't have reached this point, have ever considered that? Yes it's 'great'(it's not for a increasingly larger and larger amount of people) but the cost is going to be the collapse of everything.

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    Are you seriously suggesting that there would have been little to no fossil fuel consumption by comparison if communism won over capitalism after the feudal era? Because that's quite a reach.

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    what is a reach is equating consumption of resources with capitalism. Capitalism is not that, it is a market driven use of resources by individual choices. The individuals and governments made CHOICES , burning fossil fuel to fund , drive and push for a better lifestyle is not a function of capitalism. Capitalism is not some magic evil living entity that corrupts humans and has an insatiable greed to destroy and marginalize. that is all on humans. Sure did the free market encourage the use of fossil fuels? Yes it did. But lets not get ahead that in the end, it was by choice. Not some weird American Gods type belief structure that said, go ahead, burn it all and kill yourself. It is like all other vices, smoking, alcohol , opiates . this is all free choice.

    now if you make the argument that unregulated capitalism is BAD for us because we the humans make BAD choices, then sure, i can more than agree with that. But making capitalism like it is all bad because we the human race are naturally greedy , stupid and one bad day from Lord of the Flies , is ignoring the same problem as before, we kill under communism, we kill under socialism. we kill under capitalism, we kill full stop. There is no perfect system for us, we are the problem here. And just pretending that somehow that some other magic system of control will somehow make us perfect and it is easier to blame this system etc is just the reason why we continue to kill ourselves. In the end, capitalism is the best chance for us to make choices. If we make bad choices, then we are to blame for our choices. Dont blame the system. Blame the humans.

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    Basileus wrote:
    Don't worry, communist China will probably be taking over the world in the not-too-distant future. You can do the bidding of your globalist overlords like a good little subservient commie peon.
    And it begins...



    Of course we're the first country to bow down and start capitulating and conforming to the will of the CCP globalist schemers and our eventual new oligarchical masters like the naive backwater Podunk dipshits that we apparently are. Let's have a feminist socialist commie bootlicker be the leader of our country guys, it'll be great, ermahgerd we're so progressive. Good stuff.

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    Bloody wrote:
    Climate change cannot be attributed to Capitalism. How did you equate climate change to capitalism is beyond me , for one the main contributor to climate change is use of fossil fuels and green house gas emissions. Lets gets one thing straight, our current civilization only could advance because of our use of fossil fuels. The energy generation which jump started everything, the engines etc. Without it, we would not be where we are today. Even the ludicrous suggestion that capitalism is to blame for it is beyond me.

    that we are writing this on computers and watching this online is entirely due to the development of plastic, PCBs, energy , metallurgy etc all from oil and coal. I dunno what insane idea you think our world could be and how even capitalism even came into this bizarre idea is actually beyond me. The only thing you could possibly attribute that capitalism is to blame is that it encouraged human greed and want to push over need . Yes ultimately it is human fault and not some system of resource distribution which is why we are in this situation. Guess what, the same would have happened under any system of resource distribution. Anyone who suggests that somehow , magically, humanity would have learnt to stop being greedy has not paid attention to the history books.
    "You can't blame capitalism being bad on the functions of capitalism! I don't like that"


    ok then communism is good because.

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    The rise of the hard left is also a problem people need to combat. Look at the craziness of having trans-gender men competing in womens events and destroying their careers. Some real problems there, the intolerance of the hard left is something that must be stamped out.

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    As silly as I feel it is, if your biggest fear and threat of the hard left is having trans men compete in women's sport, you might want to check your priorities.