Looking to move to mATX

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    #26
    AstoriaParanoia wrote:
    Which motherboards are you finding that will take your 3770K and DDR4?
    Not many and that price...

    https://www.pbtech.co.nz/product/MBD...orm-Factor-For

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    #27
    Building your own is so old. Just buy one of these and call it a day.


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    #28
    You might want to check the supported CPUs for that motherboard.

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    #29
    Yeah you won't find a new board to fit that dinosaur chip. That's why if you must downsize, then going new is the easiest way, while flicking off the old gear as a combo. Can get some nice mini-ITX boards these days, i'd stick with AMD.

    This might be more suitable https://www.pbtech.co.nz/product/MBD...i-ITX-AMD-B450

    Some more options, budget dependent.
    http://www.computerlounge.co.nz/shop...Value=Mini-ITX

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    #30
    AstoriaParanoia wrote:
    You might want to check the supported CPUs for that motherboard.
    Oops lol.

    Fragluton wrote:
    Yeah you won't find a new board to fit that dinosaur chip. That's why if you must downsize, then going new is the easiest way, while flicking off the old gear as a combo. Can get some nice mini-ITX boards these days, i'd stick with AMD.

    This might be more suitable https://www.pbtech.co.nz/product/MBD...i-ITX-AMD-B450

    Some more options, budget dependent.
    http://www.computerlounge.co.nz/shop...Value=Mini-ITX
    You're right. I guess I could go the AMD route, which Ryzen chip should I go for? I heard Gen 3 for Ryzen is coming out soon? Should I wait.

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    #31
    I'd wait a month and see how prices fair. New chips are out in 2-3 weeks, which means current chips MAY drop in price. Something like a 2600 would be as low as i'd go, if going new. You may also find that around that time, people will be selling off their current AMD chips and upgrading. I am considering exactly that for example. So i'd just sit tight a few weeks and see how prices react. If budget allows, you could pick up a new gen 6 core 12 thread chip for ok money. Paired with a solid (check reviews) B450 / X470 mini-ITX board and you'd be pretty sorted. Add in 16GB of 3200mhz memory for ~$200ish and you're done, hardware wise. One thing to note, would be that the 400 series boards won't come shipped with a BIOS to support the soon to be released chips. Some boards have the ability to flash the BIOS without a CPU installed. Those that don't, you may have to get the retailer to flash it for you before sending it out, which shouldn't cost too much.

    1000/2000 series Ryzen CPU will work in the 400 series motherboards straight out of the box.

    If you think you'll want a higher core count chip, above say 8 cores, you'll want a solid X470 board or X570. B450/X470 should all handle 8 cores and less. For gaming 6-8 cores is a good spot to be, especially value wise. Don't buy the cheapest motherboard available for example, with the hope of putting in a 16 core chip at a later date, it won't be built for that sort of power load.

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    #32
    Fragluton wrote:
    I'd wait a month and see how prices fair. New chips are out in 2-3 weeks, which means current chips MAY drop in price. Something like a 2600 would be as low as i'd go, if going new. You may also find that around that time, people will be selling off their current AMD chips and upgrading. I am considering exactly that for example. So i'd just sit tight a few weeks and see how prices react. If budget allows, you could pick up a new gen 6 core 12 thread chip for ok money. Paired with a solid (check reviews) B450 / X470 mini-ITX board and you'd be pretty sorted. Add in 16GB of 3200mhz memory for ~$200ish and you're done, hardware wise. One thing to note, would be that the 400 series boards won't come shipped with a BIOS to support the soon to be released chips. Some boards have the ability to flash the BIOS without a CPU installed. Those that don't, you may have to get the retailer to flash it for you before sending it out, which shouldn't cost too much.

    1000/2000 series Ryzen CPU will work in the 400 series motherboards straight out of the box.

    If you think you'll want a higher core count chip, above say 8 cores, you'll want a solid X470 board or X570. B450/X470 should all handle 8 cores and less. For gaming 6-8 cores is a good spot to be, especially value wise. Don't buy the cheapest motherboard available for example, with the hope of putting in a 16 core chip at a later date, it won't be built for that sort of power load.
    Appreciate the insights bud.

    I'll definitely scope around and wait till the 3rd gen drops and see how things go. Haven't done a big upgrade in years and so lost now on what goes with what. The B450 is definitely within my budget, the X470 I see a remanufactured version on PB, not sure what that means?

    https://www.pbtech.co.nz/product/EXM...-Gaming-Mini-I

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    #33
    Has been fixed by manufacturer or similar. Wouldn't bother as the warranty is so short.

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    #34
    I've been using the MSI B450m Gaming Plus, which I really like. It has already reviewed well, and is rated reasonably for overclocking. It also supports BIOS flashing without a CPU, so you could get a 3000 Ryzen series and flash.

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    #35
    Just keep using what you've got. Its better for the environment

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    #36
    Decided on my mATX mobo for Ryzen 3k.

    https://www.msi.com/Motherboard/B450M-MORTAR-TITANIUM

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zSqhVlpgw3U

    - It has better VRM than most X470 boards and a beast of a heatsink to boot. Will handle OCing a 3700X.
    - BIOS can be updated without CPU/memory
    - Several fan headers, most B450 boards have two
    - Error LEDs

    This will do nicely... and if something better eventually comes out for mATX, I can always offload this mobo to wife or daughter's PCs.

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    #37
    ^Nice looking board, not too edge-lordy

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    #38
    Not worried about only having 4 VRMs ie 4 Phase for pushing overclocking on say 8 core or above?

    Other than that looks like a fairly capable B450, only boards that would pump out more oomph without going ATX would be a X470 mini itx like the x470i

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    #39
    ThomasChp wrote:
    Not worried about only having 4 VRMs ie 4 Phase for pushing overclocking on say 8 core or above?
    This is only an issue for heat, for instance 8 phase with inferior VRMs with a smaller heatsink is worse than a 4 phase high quality VRMs with a good heatsink.

    For example the X570 Asus Crosshair VIII Impact (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=peIBz55Ch1c)

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    #40
    I dont think phase count is as important as phase quality.

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    #41
    Just had issues in the past with lower VRM count boards holding clocks. Having more VRMs also spreads the heat out more but as you say still needs a decent cooling solution, I've got the X470 Crosshair from last gen as overkill to be safe. I guess we will wait and see what you can get out of your CPU and report back

    Can check it out here : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A4PEgofGfz4

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    #42
    That's the only good Asus board for the x470 generation basically. Pretty much all the others have garbage heat sinks on them and all their B450 boards are utter rubbish.

    Looks like they lifted their game for x570 though.

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    #43
    So far what I have for my ITX built is

    Silverstone Sg08
    PSU
    1070 GPU
    2 x SSD 1 x HDD

    Waiting on Ryzen 3k, want some recommendations on motherboard and 4200mhz DDR4 ram on it.
    Last edited by yuRiko; 28th June 2019 at 3:59 pm.

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    #44
    yuRiko wrote:
    Waiting on Ryzen 3k, want some recommendations on motherboard and 4200mhz DDR4 ram on it.
    Well if you want to go 4200Mhz memory, your only choice is X570... but honestly 4200mhz is not going to be worth the price. AMD's recommendation is 3600-3733mhz.



    imo, this is the best ITX (well DTX) mobo: https://www.asus.com/Motherboards/RO...pact/overview/

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    #45
    I don't mind 3733, was thinking of preparing for any future upgrades.

    Is the AMD AM4 X570 Mini-DTX actually out yet? Can't find it anywhere in terms of pricing and what RAM limitations for it?

    Actually found the ROG Strix X570-I on pricespy UK and listed for 442.90 :/

    Just saw this - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jbBBZZGSDZM

    FML I WANT IT.

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    #46
    yuRiko wrote:
    Is the AMD AM4 X570 Mini-DTX actually out yet?
    July 7th with the processors.

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    #47
    Decent B450 certainly seems like the go (if value comes into your decision anyway). It seems like the higher the core count, the better the silicon, so the less relative power will be needed to overclock. If you're going to grab a 12/16 core and overclock them to the max, X570 is a good option. Stock speeds with XFR will likely be fine for any core chips on a decent B450 board. AMD have said performance is the same between 400 and 500 series boards too. Which is quite similar to 300 vs 400 series boards.

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    #48
    Fragluton wrote:
    Decent B450 certainly seems like the go (if value comes into your decision anyway). It seems like the higher the core count, the better the silicon, so the less relative power will be needed to overclock. If you're going to grab a 12/16 core and overclock them to the max, X570 is a good option. Stock speeds with XFR will likely be fine for any core chips on a decent B450 board. AMD have said performance is the same between 400 and 500 series boards too. Which is quite similar to 300 vs 400 series boards.


    Received my B450M Mortar Titanium today.