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    suntoucher wrote:
    Another big shooting in the US. Must be a day ending in Y.

    Also there was a big one the night before but no deaths so it wasn't really reported.

    The obvious answer is that they need more guns.
    There's no shortage of guns. It's just a shame there wasn't anyone there who was armed and able to protect themselves. If the percentage of people carrying firearms got high enough that there was at least one in any given crowded area, this sort of thing would probably be less common, as there wouldn't be any more "soft targets." The real problem is when a person with malicious intent is the only armed person in a given area. The people in Texas have been pushing to liberalise the laws around carrying firearms and the governor is on board, but unfortunately their state politicians aren't very receptive. Currently getting a carry permit is required and takes a lot of time and money, thereby deterring a lot of people who wish to protect themselves but don't have the money or can't get the time off work, taking care of kids, etc. At least 16 states have already removed the requirement for carry permits and have seen no increase in crime or accidental shootings, so I'm not sure what the hold up is, aside from there being politicians involved of course.

    It is crazy to me that people could still be opposed to teachers being allowed to be armed after what happened in Parkland. The school's police officer, who was tasked with protecting the children and staff, instead waited outside for 48 minutes and actively prevented other officers from entering the school, while the teachers inside were unarmed and helpless. That officer is now facing multiple felony charges and will likely go to prison, but that's cold comfort for the victims and their families. Most teachers wouldn't hesitate to protect their students if they had the means to do so, and many even have military experience or already carry firearms when they aren't at work. The "Gun-Free" School Zone laws are a total failure at protecting students and staff, and need to be repealed ASAP.

    Here is a brief video of Dr. Suzanna Hupp testifying to Congress about gun laws back in the 1990s.
    She was the victim of a mass-murder in Texas where both her parents were killed.
    That was back when Texas laws didn't allow carrying firearms, and her speech was instrumental in Texas starting to issue carry permits in 1995. Sorry about the quality, it's old footage.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FvTO-y-B2YM

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    Kiwigunguy wrote:
    There's no shortage of guns. It's just a shame there wasn't anyone there who was armed and able to protect themselves. If the percentage of people carrying firearms got high enough that there was at least one in any given crowded area, this sort of thing would probably be less common, as there wouldn't be any more "soft targets." The real problem is when a person with malicious intent is the only armed person in a given area. The people in Texas have been pushing to liberalise the laws around carrying firearms and the governor is on board, but unfortunately their state politicians aren't very receptive. Currently getting a carry permit is required and takes a lot of time and money, thereby deterring a lot of people who wish to protect themselves but don't have the money or can't get the time off work, taking care of kids, etc. At least 16 states have already removed the requirement for carry permits and have seen no increase in crime or accidental shootings, so I'm not sure what the hold up is, aside from there being politicians involved of course.

    It is crazy to me that people could still be opposed to teachers being allowed to be armed after what happened in Parkland. The school's police officer, who was tasked with protecting the children and staff, instead waited outside for 48 minutes and actively prevented other officers from entering the school, while the teachers inside were unarmed and helpless. That officer is now facing multiple felony charges and will likely go to prison, but that's cold comfort for the victims and their families. Most teachers wouldn't hesitate to protect their students if they had the means to do so, and many even have military experience or already carry firearms when they aren't at work. The "Gun-Free" School Zone laws are a total failure at protecting students and staff, and need to be repealed ASAP.

    Here is a brief video of Dr. Suzanna Hupp testifying to Congress about gun laws back in the 1990s.
    She was the victim of a mass-murder in Texas where both her parents were killed.
    That was back when Texas laws didn't allow carrying firearms, and her speech was instrumental in Texas starting to issue carry permits in 1995. Sorry about the quality, it's old footage.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FvTO-y-B2YM
    Lol. Never go full retard. When arguing America, and Texas, in the last month, for more relaxed gun control, you have gone full retard.

    August 31, 2019 Odessa and Midland, Texas 8dead 25injured 33 total Midland–Odessa shooting: Eight people were killed, including the perpetrator, and twenty-five were wounded when a gunman opened fire on police and civilians after fleeing from a traffic stop.


    August 23, 2019 Houston, Texas 2 2 4 Two men were killed and a man and woman were injured in a drive-by shooting.

    August 17, 2019 Houston, Texas 0 7 7 Seven people were injured in a shooting at a party.


    August 9, 2019 Houston, Texas 0 4 4 Four men were injured during a shoot-out at a convenience store.

    August 5, 2019 San Antonio, Texas 4[n 1] 0 4 A man killed his uncle, grandmother and mother before he set the house on fire and committed suicide in a triple murder–suicide.

    August 3, 2019 El Paso, Texas 22 dead 24 inured 46 2019 El Paso shooting: 22 people were killed and 24 were injured at a Walmart near the Cielo Vista Mall in a Hispanophobic massacre. The perpetrator was taken into custody.

    July 30, 2019 Rosenberg, Texas 3[n 1] 1 4 A man shot and killed his ex-girlfriends parents, and wounded her, before committing suicide in a murder–suicide.

    You're clearly trolling. And really anti - guns Texas open carry - brilliant idea

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    Paddles wrote:
    Lol. Never go full retard. When arguing America, and Texas, in the last month, for more relaxed gun control, you have gone full retard.

    August 31, 2019 Odessa and Midland, Texas 8dead 25injured 33 total Midland–Odessa shooting: Eight people were killed, including the perpetrator, and twenty-five were wounded when a gunman opened fire on police and civilians after fleeing from a traffic stop.


    August 23, 2019 Houston, Texas 2 2 4 Two men were killed and a man and woman were injured in a drive-by shooting.

    August 17, 2019 Houston, Texas 0 7 7 Seven people were injured in a shooting at a party.


    August 9, 2019 Houston, Texas 0 4 4 Four men were injured during a shoot-out at a convenience store.

    August 5, 2019 San Antonio, Texas 4[n 1] 0 4 A man killed his uncle, grandmother and mother before he set the house on fire and committed suicide in a triple murder–suicide.

    August 3, 2019 El Paso, Texas 22 dead 24 inured 46 2019 El Paso shooting: 22 people were killed and 24 were injured at a Walmart near the Cielo Vista Mall in a Hispanophobic massacre. The perpetrator was taken into custody.

    July 30, 2019 Rosenberg, Texas 3[n 1] 1 4 A man shot and killed his ex-girlfriends parents, and wounded her, before committing suicide in a murder–suicide.

    You're clearly trolling. And really anti - guns Texas open carry - brilliant idea
    Did you miss the part where the murder rate is the lowest it's been in over 50 years?
    I don't see how any of the incidents you mentioned change that.
    None of those shootings were committed by people who were lawfully open carrying, so how is that even relevant?

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    Kiwigunguy wrote:
    Did you miss the part where the murder rate is the lowest it's been in over 50 years?
    I don't see how any of the incidents you mentioned change that.
    None of those shootings were committed by people who were lawfully open carrying, so how is that even relevant?
    Haha.

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    Zarkov wrote:
    Haha.
    I'm not sure how that's funny, but okay.

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    Paddles wrote:
    It is in the Arms Code, which the police issue in their power to reject license applications. Its basically regulative even though it is not technically a regulation per se, as they have legislative powers to deny licenses. You can judicially review it if you disagree with their decision. The Police's Arms Code states it is based on common law decisions that using a firearm is excessive force in "anticipation" of a crime. This seems to me to be a correct interpretation of the texts without reading all the cases in full (not to suggest that there never can be mistakes in the texts). Basically - under our common law interpretation of the Crimes Act, a crime must be under way, like a machete being weilded at you, before the threat is imminent to be reasonably sufficient to use a gun.

    Because there is no imminent danger when you apply for a FAL, even if you anticipate it, that is not good enough reason to obtain a FAL and own a gun. Ergo, gun ownership for self defense is no reason. The question is, iif you have a gun for another purpose, and use it for defense, was that reasonable?

    Basically, there is positive reason in any NZ law, common or statute, that permits gun ownership as self defense. This is not Murica. And if you shoot a machete wielding robber, the cops will charge and prosecute you... even if you win in court... The question being then for the Courts - did you reasonably need to discharge the firearm at the person? Or if you produced the fire arm and told them to leave, would that have been more reasonable?

    You may like the gun ownership for self defense argument. But most the country is not having it.
    So essentially it is not law, just police policy though you would have a hard time getting the court of appeal to back you up in your case of licence denial.

    The last person I know that shot a machete wielding robber was indeed charged and thankfully found not guilty. I absolutely do feel guns should be allowed for self defence, if someone genuinely threatens your life you should be able to ventilate them providing the force is proportionate. Though with current law it is not practical, not just from a self defence law standpoint but also storage requirements effectively rendering them useless.

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    Th3WhiteKnight wrote:
    So essentially it is not law, just police policy though you would have a hard time getting the court of appeal to back you up in your case of licence denial.

    The last person I know that shot a machete wielding robber was indeed charged and thankfully found not guilty. I absolutely do feel guns should be allowed for self defence, if someone genuinely threatens your life you should be able to ventilate them providing the force is proportionate. Though with current law it is not practical, not just from a self defence law standpoint but also storage requirements effectively rendering them useless.
    Agreed, gun control will be less effective overtime as discussed earlier in this thread so the control of them is only going to hurt law abiding citizens.

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    Speaking of American shootings, I see someone in Georgia smoked 3 masked armed robbers with what was likely an AR15 after being fired at lol good job.

    https://abcnews.go.com/US/homeowner-...ll_twopack_hed

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    In other news, Colt is discontinuing the AR15, citing weak demand and an oversaturated market.

    https://americanmilitarynews.com/201...ion-of-ar-15s/

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    Thats discontinuation for civilian markets. Their core business is military contracts.
    In the world of the AR platform, who wants a Colt when theres so many better options that are superior to basic mil-spec straight out the box, never mind the plethora of aftermarket.

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    I object to gun confiscation its the most ridiculous bullshit ever look how well it worked out for many people in the past here come's the NWO an AGENDA 21.

    The 1% banking elite trying to keep the people dumb blind an docile but we to smart they ****ed up when they gave the people the power of the internet no mater what they try to do people as a whole will not fall.

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    GaR wrote:
    In other news, Colt is discontinuing the AR15, citing weak demand and an oversaturated market.

    https://americanmilitarynews.com/201...ion-of-ar-15s/
    This is more to do with Colt's ineptitude than " over-saturated" market.
    For years Colt held the monopoly on the M4 Technical Data Package, the specifications required by the DoD for a manufacturing contract. Due to the difficulties of getting/time involved in getting improvements to M4/M16 chasis (or any Military contract) signed off by DoD appropriations and Congress , Colt rested on its laurels and did next to no R&D preferring to suckle on the government teat and placing civilian sales a very low priority for decades. Many of their top engineers left or were shown the door. Colt barely escaped bankruptcy, but in the process cut even more skill doubled down on military focus in sales. The team that made more quality items like old Rick Grimes's Python went as did the firearms from their catalogue. Then the US government decides FNH gets a contract...enter legal wrangggling of who owns T.D.P. mixed with on going small arsm trials that potientially oust the M4 as the U.S. militaries primary carbine....Colt is on shakey ground. Unfortunately they purchased Diemaco (now Colt Canada) who did R&D and innovate and listen to customers and are dragging them down with them
    Long story short Colt bet on a monopoly on contracts for legacy technology and failed to innovate. Failed to listen to their customer base. Failed to retain good staff. Hell many of the parts that used to be made in-house are outsourced. How a company this established with its previous manufacturing capacity , reliable income steam and previously good reputation has been brought so low isn't testimony to anything than their ineptitude.

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    GaR wrote:
    In other news, Colt is discontinuing the AR15, citing weak demand and an oversaturated market.

    https://americanmilitarynews.com/201...ion-of-ar-15s/
    Colt sells ARs for 3x what other competitors do, without a significant upside in quality.

    Colt has obligations in the form of contracts with the Military and Federal LEO that they have trouble fulfilling.

    Combine these two facts and Colt's decision isn't really surprising.

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    "He was putting the firearm back in its holster when the gun went off.

    The accidental discharge happened last week on the firing range at Police College where the officer was on a specialist training course."

    The gun didn't just go off, Glocks do not just go off, they are called Glock Safe Action for a reason. His finger was on the trigger when he holstered his pistol. This is called a negligent discharge, not an accidental discharge.

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    What about this bit:

    The potentially fatal accident comes six months after IPCA revealed a M4 semi-automatic was fired inside a police station.

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    Vulcan wrote:
    What about this bit:
    That's a pretty common thing for them, imagine the poo you or I would be in with that track record.

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    Yet hardly a whisper of it in the media.

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    That's cause us scummy licensed firearm owners are the problem.

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    I am positive I heard someone discharge a police m4 in the back carpark of the station right next to my work when I was on my smoko a couple of weeks back. I've shot enough AR15's to recognise the twang the buffer spring makes on one of those things. Was quite worrying as I didn't hear it hit anything so who knows where the shot ended up.

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    Bloody disgusting behaviour towards to an NZ vet during a confiscation collection point
    https://i.stuff.co.nz/national/11617...DG6_Ffujko-k5Q
    Last edited by swazi; 30th September 2019 at 5:20 pm.

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    swazi wrote:
    Bloody disgusting behaviour towards to an NZ vet during a confiscation collection point
    https://i.stuff.co.nz/national/11617...DG6_Ffujko-k5Q
    That is horrendous treatment, Say's a lot about the people they have running these things. I wonder if the sentiment from the top is leaking and starting to come out at the bottom.

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    Th3WhiteKnight wrote:
    That is horrendous treatment, Say's a lot about the people they have running these things. I wonder if the sentiment from the top is leaking and starting to come out at the bottom.
    The police gave that vet a weak apology citing ".... but are confident he was spoken to in a respectful and professional manner".
    Jacinda who arguable is at the top, still proving she's living in fairy dust world, trying to bullshit a 13 year girl.
    https://i.stuff.co.nz/national/11622...ar15-rifle-ban

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    That 13 year old is New Zealand's Greta Thunberg standing up for society

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    Here's another one for the "only cops can be trusted with guns crowd."
    https://www.npr.org/2019/10/13/76989...structure-call