Anyone in Melbourne need an IT job? - IT qualification a must.

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    #51
    iNx wrote:
    How do I get into I.T without a qual? Shit is tough these days!

    I know my computers thou, hook me up!
    What is I.T in your opinion?

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    #52
    Privoxy wrote:
    What is I.T in your opinion?
    What does it stand for? What doesn't it stand for?

    It stands for, it stands for commitment. It stands for audacity. It stands for courage in the face of...

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    #53
    Privoxy wrote:
    What is I.T in your opinion?
    Depends.

    Computer systems info, networking, building, coding, scripting and a whole lot of other things.

    I used to design HTML websites and used to make scripts for mIRC back in the day.

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    #54
    I remember taking Computing back in college and was a top student in my class. Everything was a joke. Coding HTML, designing a website, I made it look with ease.

    My teacher asked me "Why don't you want to do Computers?"

    I told him. I didn't want to sit down all day :/ thinking of a career change now imo, now is the right time.

    **** my life.

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    #55
    Had an interview today for rocket lab. It went OK, but have spent the rest of the day thinking about how I answered each of the questions and gone "damn I should have said x instead of y".

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    #56
    CoRk wrote:
    Had an interview today for rocket lab. It went OK, but have spent the rest of the day thinking about how I answered each of the questions and gone "damn I should have said x instead of y".
    I'm always looking at their careers page. It would be such an awesome thing to be apart of.

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    #57
    suntoucher wrote:
    What does it stand for?
    internet things

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    #58
    Privoxy wrote:
    What is I.T in your opinion?
    Pretty much just being able to deal with people and not be a weirdo. Any technical skill can be googled and learned.

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    #59
    Valeo wrote:
    Pretty much just being able to deal with people and not be a weirdo. Any technical skill can be googled and learned.
    My boss said she'd decided i was getting the job in the time it took to walk from reception to the interview room, due to the banter/conversation we had. After i got the job, her comment was "You can shave a monkey and teach it IT, but having someone with the right people skills and personality type can't be taught".

    So many IT people seem to be introverts - they like their computers because it means they don't have to talk to people - so i think your point is very valid.

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    #60
    Frederick James wrote:
    My boss said she'd decided i was getting the job in the time it took to walk from reception to the interview room, due to the banter/conversation we had. After i got the job, her comment was "You can shave a monkey and teach it IT, but having someone with the right people skills and personality type can't be taught".

    So many IT people seem to be introverts - they like their computers because it means they don't have to talk to people - so i think your point is very valid.
    It's definitely valid. You used to have the BOFH (bastard operator from hell) or grumpy SysAdmin because they were the only ones that knew tech and how to make it work. But it's less accepted now as tech is more mainstream and common. You get much more traction in the job market being adaptable and personable even if you lack some of the technical skills.

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    #61
    Valeo wrote:
    Any technical skill can be googled and learned.
    Sure, but that doesn't necessarily make you good at it or put you at a level where you skill has value to someone else.

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    #62
    Kid6o6 wrote:
    For support/systems, do some certs. Or start on a help desk. Then so some certs. Then stab yourself in the face, it'll save you wanting to do it later.
    For anyone reading who maybe considering IT as a career path. Take this guys advice before you do some bullshit IT diploma that still has you doing A+ at the end anyway and gets you suck with massive amounts of student loans and has you waste 3-4 years. Too many people fall for this. Its how these places make money. Praying on the gullible and less informed. A mate of mine got roped into one. Did a level 5 and level 6 diploma at some computer course at the end of it they gave every student A+ vouchers and basically said good luck.

    if you failed the A+ cert you were basically screwed unless you were willing to pay out of your own pocket for another go they left you stranded (The diplomas he got from there were useless, no employer would take them seriously). He basically spent 3 years and 30-40k studying for A+ when he could have done for free in two to three months on youtube with Professor Messer tutorials. And would have only had to pay for the cert and booking fee for the lab. (which is how I did it)

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    #63
    ^ This is from a purely anecdotal POV, but that's essentially what i did. A 3 year course consisting of A+, CCNA, and MCITP, but with a provider who crammed it into 9 months instead of 3 years. I landed the first job i went for, and got offered the second job. Was about $18K all up, done in just 9 months.

    I ended up with more than just A+, and i'm sure that a lot of my success was due to presenting well in the interviews, but i agree with you - A+, and to a lesser extent CCNA (using Packet Tracer or similar), could easily be done by schooling up on YT vids.

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    #64
    iNx wrote:
    How do I get into I.T without a qual? Shit is tough these days!

    I know my computers thou, hook me up!
    lie, it works because even big companies are often too incompetent or cheap to even check.

    Quals are often just an exercise in memorising and repeating, so you still get people with them who have no trouble-shooting or problem solving skills in general, ild take someone who knows their computers anyday.
    Last edited by HellToupee; 19th September 2019 at 3:46 pm.

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    #65
    Valeo wrote:
    Any technical skill can be googled and learned.
    You would be surprised how many people can't even do that, recently there was a guy on my team telling me his story about trying to find his android phone for 2-3 days how he was ringing and calling the bus company etc im confused as hell because he can ring it, its got charge I just told him to type find my phone into google and see what comes up.

    I work in unix support we got constantly shifting target at the bleeding edge and a huge tail of legacy cruft but most fail at googling solutions because they don't even try.

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    #66
    There's also a potential cognitive hurdle. I've taught a lot of students new to programming over the years and there are always people who put in a huge amount of time and effort trying to learn but it just doesn't go *click* for them. They can memorize all the syntax, language constructs, and what all the in built functions taught by the course do, but they simply can't put it together to write any but the most trivial of programs.

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    #67
    Incidentally, as someone with no degree working as a software dev - to anyone wanting to enter the industry, get a degree, it's just way easier. Far too many recruiters will drop you for not having the "minimum required qualification", regardless of your coding skills.

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    #68
    Valeyard wrote:
    For anyone reading who maybe considering IT as a career path. Take this guys advice before you do some bullshit IT diploma that still has you doing A+ at the end anyway and gets you suck with massive amounts of student loans and has you waste 3-4 years. Too many people fall for this. Its how these places make money. Praying on the gullible and less informed. A mate of mine got roped into one. Did a level 5 and level 6 diploma at some computer course at the end of it they gave every student A+ vouchers and basically said good luck.

    if you failed the A+ cert you were basically screwed unless you were willing to pay out of your own pocket for another go they left you stranded (The diplomas he got from there were useless, no employer would take them seriously). He basically spent 3 years and 30-40k studying for A+ when he could have done for free in two to three months on youtube with Professor Messer tutorials. And would have only had to pay for the cert and booking fee for the lab. (which is how I did it)
    How on earth do you fail A+, they don't even ask you about IRQ's anymore.

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    #69
    Analgia wrote:
    How on earth do you fail A+, they don't even ask you about IRQ's anymore.
    man if a course asked me about IRQs in 2019 I'd demand my goddam money back

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    #70
    Ugh. I got through two rounds with rocket lab and they sounded really interested but wanted me to do an online programming test. Haven't really done one of them before and it went shockingly bad.

    30 minute test, expecting it to be to write one program. Turns out its to write 3. Can't test what you write in the web interface, so i'm working on the first question on my own IDE. Come up with the answer and go to put it into the web version and it had proceeded onto the next question. Turns out there was a 10 minute limit on each question. Stressing the F out I try to rush doing the next problem, only to realize that i hadn't read the question properly. Try to fix it and.... onto the next question! Crap. I realize the final question could be easily done with sets, so try to quickly google how to do them in python. Code wasn't giving the output that I was hoping for, so i quickly bashed out a quick and dirty naive approach which gave the correct output. However that question did test for efficiency of implementation, and I failed the efficiency test.

    I'm feeling really mad at myself about now.

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    #71
    Vulcan wrote:
    Sure, but that doesn't necessarily make you good at it or put you at a level where you skill has value to someone else.
    Of course - if it's a very specialised role, then that's different; but if we're talking about a general sysadmin role then things change so quickly that it's far more important to have someone who is a good communicator and researcher.

    The experience I had in specific technologies ~5 years ago is largely irrelevant now.

    HellToupee wrote:
    You would be surprised how many people can't even do that, recently there was a guy on my team telling me his story about trying to find his android phone for 2-3 days how he was ringing and calling the bus company etc im confused as hell because he can ring it, its got charge I just told him to type find my phone into google and see what comes up.

    I work in unix support we got constantly shifting target at the bleeding edge and a huge tail of legacy cruft but most fail at googling solutions because they don't even try.

    Yeah, that's my point - that is the skill people really learn at school/uni. You can tell the difference between those who can properly disseminate information and those who cannot.

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    #72
    I still run into windows 2000 on the regular so I donít think any technology is irrelevant in this day and age. Heck I know a guy who still specialises in os/2 and makes 500/hour

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    #73
    sorceror wrote:
    I still run into windows 2000 on the regular so I don’t think any technology is irrelevant in this day and age. Heck I know a guy who still specialises in os/2 and makes 500/hour
    Depends where you're working I guess - if you're still running into Win 2000 then there should be a plan to get off it. If you're in a Government role or anything to do with the Health sector, then that might be different though.

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    #74
    CoRk wrote:
    Ugh. I got through two rounds with rocket lab and they sounded really interested but wanted me to do an online programming test. Haven't really done one of them before and it went shockingly bad.

    30 minute test, expecting it to be to write one program. Turns out its to write 3. Can't test what you write in the web interface, so i'm working on the first question on my own IDE. Come up with the answer and go to put it into the web version and it had proceeded onto the next question. Turns out there was a 10 minute limit on each question. Stressing the F out I try to rush doing the next problem, only to realize that i hadn't read the question properly. Try to fix it and.... onto the next question! Crap. I realize the final question could be easily done with sets, so try to quickly google how to do them in python. Code wasn't giving the output that I was hoping for, so i quickly bashed out a quick and dirty naive approach which gave the correct output. However that question did test for efficiency of implementation, and I failed the efficiency test.

    I'm feeling really mad at myself about now.
    Happens to the best of us dude. I'm sure we've all got similar horror stories, I've sure got my share.

    Chalk it up to experience, and you'll do better at the next one.

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    #75
    CoRk wrote:
    Ugh. I got through two rounds with rocket lab and they sounded really interested but wanted me to do an online programming test. Haven't really done one of them before and it went shockingly bad.

    30 minute test, expecting it to be to write one program. Turns out its to write 3. Can't test what you write in the web interface, so i'm working on the first question on my own IDE. Come up with the answer and go to put it into the web version and it had proceeded onto the next question. Turns out there was a 10 minute limit on each question. Stressing the F out I try to rush doing the next problem, only to realize that i hadn't read the question properly. Try to fix it and.... onto the next question! Crap. I realize the final question could be easily done with sets, so try to quickly google how to do them in python. Code wasn't giving the output that I was hoping for, so i quickly bashed out a quick and dirty naive approach which gave the correct output. However that question did test for efficiency of implementation, and I failed the efficiency test.

    I'm feeling really mad at myself about now.
    Do they expect you to defuse bombs by writing code??? Sounds like a shit test setup on their part imo.