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    Green Hell - everything in the jungle will kill you

    I'm a sucker for a survival game. Spent a long time in Long Dark, Subnautica was amazing and worth it, so when I saw Green Hell, I was keen. Here's my experiences so far.

    You sit through the the tutorial/intro story gameplay, which involves a bunch of Firewatch-esque radio conversations from earnest young Silicon Valley "voice actors" (aka the devs mates) and then you freak out at... something during the night, I wasn't paying attention tbh, and falloff a waterfall, and wake up here.



    So you have to "find help", so I followed a stream, I fell off a log, and decided to take the straightforward route up.



    Very beautiful, and everything wants to kill you.

    Here's my playthrough history so far.

    First death - picked up a poison dart frog, died of... poison. I don't know what I was expecting.
    Second death - minding my own business, wandering around the jungle, bitten by a snake, died of poison.
    Third death - I have no idea, my energy dropped to zero and I died in a dirty stream. Malnutrition?

    Speaking of nutrition, this game takes a... ...more in-depth approach to food - you need to eat a balanced diet of proteins, fats and carbs. Fruits are are great for carbs, you want a nut for the fats, and as for protein? Well...



    There's also fish and animals you can hunt but I'm not at that level yet, although I did eat a (raw) piece of a dead parrot that I found once.

    The water... ...the ****ing water man... so I'm very early into the story mode, and every time I drink water, I get parasites, because apparently the Amazon is filthy AF, which tbh, given all the animals crapping in there, I believe. I'm not yet at the point where I can boil water, so I drink the dirty water and thank God I ate a random mushroom and found out it removed parasites. So every time I see those little orange mushies, I harvest them like crazy.

    So far, none of the harvesting has felt unnecessary. And, unlike other survival games, Green Hell only highlights some of the items you can pick up - you know, press E to pick up the stone. For a lot of common stuff, it does that. But for the more advanced herbals, that you will definitely need, you're given a picture, then need to identify the plant in the jungle and hack at it until harvested, no tooltips, no highlighting.



    Oh, and this is the first game I've ever played where I could check my limbs for wounds and/or leeches (did I mention the rivers are filthy?)




    Anyway, I'm enjoying the survival gameplay of it so far, the story, tbh, feels like a bunch of privileged college kids wrote it. You and your gf go to talk to some natives because they have the answer to <bad thing X> or something, then you freak out, fall off waterfall, and apparently the next step is to craft an ayahuasca trip to regain your memory. Serious.

    But, crafting that ayahuasca trip makes full use of the "learn the plants nub" gameplay - you find ayahuasca because it's a twisted vine that grows on the largest trees - so you wander around looking for twisty vines on big trees. Then you add some other plants that you identify by flower and leaves.

    Apparently, anyway, because I've never got that far. Shit keeps biting me, or I touch it, like a jackass.

    I would recommend, although I think I'm going to tweak the difficulty a bit before the next playthrough, because the "macronutrient" thing feels like you burn through your entire fat store in one day, and tbh, no-one has that much time to go searching for nuts.

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    Looks kinda interesting, good steam reviews, out of early access and only $30...

    e: what do you usually do with the poison dart tree frogs?

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    I have no idea yet.

    So I've made it a bit further - survived a snakebite through my superior plant knowledge, built a shelter and fireplace, hunted a capybara and a peccary, and am now drying the meat, and took the psychedelic. No idea where this story's going, but still enjoying the survival play - finding a coconut was amazing, because now I can capture clean water when it rains in the shell.

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    ...and just because you can harvest meat from a poison dart frog, doesn't mean you should cook it and eat it...

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    dont see why not, the poison should be secretions on the skin and mucus, the meat if cleaned and washed should be A-Ok? Sounds great tho, very extra hard . But not for me, kill me off and let me rot if it happens.

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    It has quite customisable difficulty - I'm running the normal difficulty, except with nutrient loss turned to Low - I have things to do that don't involve eating every 15 minutes lol.

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    cool!

    Was a fan of Subnautica so will give this a whirl.

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    Edward Diego wrote:
    You sit through the the tutorial/intro story gameplay, which involves a bunch of Firewatch-esque radio conversations from earnest young Silicon Valley "voice actors" (aka the devs mates)
    They're Polish.
    Creepy Jar, an independent studio made up of ex-Techland Warsaw team members (Dying Light, Dead Island, Nail’d)

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    Edward Diego wrote:
    It has quite customisable difficulty - I'm running the normal difficulty, except with nutrient loss turned to Low - I have things to do that don't involve eating every 15 minutes lol.
    Surely it is more realistic to turn that to very low or off completely? I’m no dietician but pretty sure you could survive ok as long you eating anything

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    As a huge Subnautica fan this looks interesting to me but it sounds like the nutrition thing can get very frustrating. I thought Subnautica did the whole nutrition thing pretty well. Think I'll wait for a sale since apart from Subnautica I haven't really liked any other games in the survival genre (can't wait until Below Zero comes out of early access).

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    Edward, here's another narrative-based survival game that might interest you.
    store.steampowered.com/app/433170/Die_Young/
    Just released into v1.0.

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    Mikos wrote:
    Surely it is more realistic to turn that to very low or off completely? I’m no dietician but pretty sure you could survive ok as long you eating anything
    I like that you have to eat a balanced diet, but yeah, it's definitely more fun with it turned to Low. I wouldn't turn it off myself as it removes a whole aspect of the survival play - no point in building traps or spears, and I quite enjoy the game-play of walking slowly up a stream spearfishing for stingrays and crabs.

    Insominiac wrote:
    As a huge Subnautica fan this looks interesting to me but it sounds like the nutrition thing can get very frustrating
    Once again, when it's turned to Low it doesn't get in the way of fun. And I like how you have to utilise everything you have on hand - you can trap mice, toads and large spiders, gather larvae from tree stumps, ants from ant hills etc. Now that I've honed my spear throwing skills, I've been dining finely recently on snakes - after suffering a few deaths to them, it feels good to turn the tables.

    So yeah, I definitely recommend it to you, just with the nutrition loss turned to low.

    So in my recent gameplay, I found that instead of wandering desperately hoping to find a coconut on the ground, you can knock them from the trees with a well-aimed rock. I am now rich in coconut shells to collect rainwater in.

    I also found out that black caimans will **** you up, and that I need to extend my knowledge of plants in the jungle, because I died of an infected stingray wound.

    I also found out that if you want your drier to dry your food, you want to build a roof over it to keep out the rain, and a roof over your fire saves you continually relighting it.

    Oh, and I encountered a tribesman. He seemed hostile, he was yelling at me and what not, but I'm not entirely sure - I kinda speared him in the face out of reflex (I've had a few jaguar encounters of late) before he could make any moves.

    Which left me feeling guilty and a bit colonial, which is an interesting thing to feel in a game. So I can now add Green Hell to the list along with Spec Ops: The Line, This War of Mine, and Shadow of the Colossus where my actions produced genuine feelings of ambiguity.

    EvaUnit02 wrote:
    Edward, here's another narrative-based survival game that might interest you.
    store.steampowered.com/app/433170/Die_Young/
    Just released into v1.0.
    Cheers mate

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    As I hunted my morning fresh water crab, I heard singing. Beautiful singing. I snuck through the undergrowth, and spotted him, another tribesman. I thought I must've been mistaken, he didn't seem hostile at all. So I approached him carefully, and he ran off into the bush.

    I shrugged, and turned for home, which is when I saw that he'd circled around me, and was coming out me with a very sharp knife. I threw my spear which lodged in his shoulder and drove him off, but not before he'd cut me up well. I managed to staunch the bleeding before I passed out, and then set off warily in the direction he'd fled - I wanted my spear back, and I was hoping he'd bled out by now. But I pulled my axe out just in case.

    Sure enough, I found his body, and in addition to recovering my spear, I took his obsidian knife and his bow. As stoked as I was about the flash kife, killing him still didn't feel right, and the night felt a bit darker that night.




    I quickly discovered the specific joy of a bow. Hunting the fierce wild coconut - it's a lot easier to get them down with an arrow than with a stone.




    And of course, the meat, don't have to get as close as with a spear, although if you only wound them, they run a lot further with only an arrow in them. And I took this screenshot about 0.05 seconds before the peccary realised I was there and bolted.




    I had planned to experiment and increase my medical knowledge, and I think I found the motherlode - honey.




    Happiness - a drier full of meat




    And ample coconuts collecting the rain.




    And water boiling beside the fire as you cook tonight's dinner - capybara and a bit of macaw.




    Now that I've set up a decent camp and learned some ways of the jungle, it's time to push on. I plan to follow the river upstream, see where it leads. I've got a bag full of equipment, food, and clean water.



    Bunch of arrows, enough coconut shells to fill my coconut drink bottle when filled with rain, some tinder, and 1 - 2 of each kind of specialised dressing I've learned to make - honey, lilly dressing, tobacco dressing, and an ash dressing, each with ideal use cases. Oh and a bunch of stingray stings that I'm carrying around because I haven't figured out if I can craft anything with them yet, but if I can, I imagine it's sharp and pointy.




    Bananas, dried capybara meat (lasts up to 5 days), unknown nuts high in fat, coconut drink bottle filled with clean water, a water lilly flower to ease any food poisoning, and a wandering spider that was walking past and got unlucky.

    I'm ready to go.

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    CODChimera wrote:
    Looks kinda interesting, good steam reviews, out of early access and only $30...

    e: what do you usually do with the poison dart tree frogs?
    Rub their backs on your poison darts.

    That's what I do.

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    Thread inspired me to buy, jammed for a good twenty hours..excellent.
    Very atmospheric..some awesome moment such as swimming up a river after falling in, reach a pool at the top.
    See something in the water..oh **** its a giant croc......dead.

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    Thanks for this recommendation. I've been playing about 15 hours and really enjoying it. SP survival is my jam. Died about 6 times before I managed build a structure allowing me to save the game. Don't pick up live poisonous frogs!
    Thrown spears seem a little OP - I've so far taken down three groups of two natives and two jaguars that stumbled on my camp with only a single scrape to my arm received in all 5 encounters.

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    Second death - minding my own business, wandering around the jungle, bitten by a snake, died of poison.
    Technically that would have been venom. Poison is a general term for a 'poisonous' substance, for example methylated spirits. Venom is specifically: organic, weaponized, and usually injected (by fangs, stinger, whatever)


    But all jokes aside, you had me at ayahuasca.

    To accompany and heighten your experience, especially in terms of how hellish the jungle can be and what the tribes are like, I'd highly recommend you read River of Darkness, A++ book: The first Spaniards to discover the Amazon river spent weeks without food and were reduced to eating the broth of their boiled leather bootstraps. Another fun fact is that the term 'Amazon' is actually derived from one particular tribe lead by a few tall, pale women with men as their subjects (yes, like Futurama) who were referred to as the Amazons (like Greek mythology). It would be amazing if they were in the game.

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    Finished the game now on story mode. Come to think of it Orz, I only recall seeing male tribespeople.

    I played normal difficulty with the suggested modification of low nutritional requirements. That still required me to eat varied meals twice a day and drink three of four times.

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    mmario wrote:
    Thread inspired me to buy, jammed for a good twenty hours..excellent.
    Very atmospheric..some awesome moment such as swimming up a river after falling in, reach a pool at the top.
    See something in the water..oh **** its a giant croc......dead.
    Glad you and Caffeine enjoyed it There's a wee bit of grind, especially on the goddamn long sticks, but it's not too bad compared to some other survival games.

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    Another photo dump.

    Moved on and set up a new camp in a clearing on top a hill surrounded by bamboo




    Just a scenic shot of the moonrise:




    Another encounter with a local, blade axe to the head sorted him out after a few arrows.




    I've been trying my hand at fishing in the bigger river I'm near - fish traps, spear fishing, and my new favourite - just shooting the bastards with a bow. Great for the slower moving fish, and managed to catch my first piranha in a fish trap:




    Also in my hunting and gathering firsts, killed me a caiman with a very lucky shot with an arrow directly down his throat as he yawned.





    In other firsts - found out that if you sleep rough, you get parasitic worms burrowing into your skin which you then have to remove with a fish bone or bone needle. No photos because yeech, and they don't really do being the grossness of being able to see it moving under your skin justice.


    And in another first, for the first time managed to survive a fight with a jaguar, thanks to my armadillo armour on my arms taking most of the damage, but still got cut up badly. Luckily, I found an ant's nest before I bled out and sutured the wound the traditional way...