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    How does the new import GST rules work?

    Anyone done much research into how the new upcoming (1st December) import GST/tax rules work?

    Basically, current rules are, the international seller does not need to collect any Tax. If the item(s) total is over $400 NZ, then customs will charge $50 + 15% of the value.

    New system from how i understand it, international sellers are to collect GST on ALL items. So no ( ? ) Tax at the border. No $50 (or any fixed amount) fees, just the 15% GST on all imported items paid to the seller (Amazon, Aliexpress etc).

    Is this correct?

    Also, what happens if the seller does not collect Tax for an item you buy? Do you then need to pay the tax at customs? If so, do they then enforce any stupid fees (like the flat $50 fee from before)?

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    The answer is "gift"

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    I think sbiddle @ geekzone sums it up nicely: https://www.geekzone.co.nz/sbiddle/9012

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    nzbleach wrote:
    The answer is "gift"
    Labelling something as a "gift" has never been a way to dodge GST/duty, it's a common fallacy

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    defiant wrote:
    I think sbiddle @ geekzone sums it up nicely: https://www.geekzone.co.nz/sbiddle/9012
    So basically packages valued at $400-1000 should be exempt from this now, but small packages under $400 will incur 15% GST?

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    ALTER. wrote:
    So basically packages valued at $400-1000 should be exempt from this now, but small packages under $400 will incur 15% GST?
    No

    Purchases at any value from large retailers and those who do over the threshold in sales like AliExpress or Amazon will charge GST on import

    Purchases under $1000 from retailers who don't meet the threshold won't attract GST

    Additionally only purchases over $1000 will attract duty and biosecurity/clearance fees, it won't be collected on lower value items (only GST if applicable as above)

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    I don't really see how they're going to enforce it if someone like AliExpress tells the government to go **** themselves. I, for one, don't get invoices or packages from AliExpress, only the individual vendors who make no mention of AliExpress.

    For them, at least, all they can really do is block connections to them on an ISP level as there's no real way of tying the package to Ali and blocking them.

    Amazon actually fulfills orders, so they're easy to block.

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    I guess it depends if courts in the countries the companies are based in will enforce NZ claims against them?

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    suntoucher wrote:
    I don't really see how they're going to enforce it if someone like AliExpress tells the government to go **** themselves. I, for one, don't get invoices or packages from AliExpress, only the individual vendors who make no mention of AliExpress.

    For them, at least, all they can really do is block connections to them on an ISP level as there's no real way of tying the package to Ali and blocking them.

    Amazon actually fulfills orders, so they're easy to block.
    AliExpress do it for straya

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    KevinL wrote:
    No

    Purchases at any value from large retailers and those who do over the threshold in sales like AliExpress or Amazon will charge GST on import

    Purchases under $1000 from retailers who don't meet the threshold won't attract GST

    Additionally only purchases over $1000 will attract duty and biosecurity/clearance fees, it won't be collected on lower value items (only GST if applicable as above)

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    OK but how on earth am I expected to know what overseas stores do and do not sell high volumes of their products to NZ or not? Also, I actually have a lamp coming from Aliexpress, I hope I don't get charged extra for it. They're slow as shit usually.

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    ALTER. wrote:
    OK but how on earth am I expected to know what overseas stores do and do not sell high volumes of their products to NZ or not? Also, I actually have a lamp coming from Aliexpress, I hope I don't get charged extra for it. They're slow as shit usually.
    They'll tell you with a 15% price increase before you pay them money.

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    Yeah AliExpress and Amazon are just calculated at checkout.

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    stuff you have already paid for that costs less than $1000 (incl shipping) and hasn't arrived in nz yet wont be charged any extra gst.

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    it"s good if you buy goods from small specialist shops around the world , you will no longer pay GST on goods over $400 and under $1000.

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    Can anyone confirm if amazon is charging the GST? I just tried to buy something from amazon and its not charging me any gst or import fee.

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    I wonder if platforms like Ebay would have to sign up. Are they considered the seller?

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    harshsmith wrote:
    Can anyone confirm if amazon is charging the GST? I just tried to buy something from amazon and its not charging me any gst or import fee.
    Amazon US has been charging gst for a while, it is in the final price at checkout, so if you buy something from Amazon US then you have paid GST, and if you use Youshop to get around paying tax then Youshop charges you GST on the item. not sure with Amazon UK , it seems they have stopped sending items to NZ

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    I brought something from Amazon US on Saturday, It didn't put up anything regarding GST at checkout. I'll wait and see if anything happens when it hits NZ shores.

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    Previously Amazon US would only charge GST/biosecurity fees if you were close to the threshold (i.e. near to $400) - if the total value at entry (goods + shipping) ended up less than $400 they would refund the fees.

    Presumably as of today they will be charging GST on all items.

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    If im buying stuff on ebay and sending it to youshop...

    If I consolidate say 8 packages totalling $500nzd, does that exempt me from GST? Or will they only look at the individual items?

    I now see youshop want you to upload invoices etc on your items too.

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    Dre wrote:
    If im buying stuff on ebay and sending it to youshop...

    If I consolidate say 8 packages totalling $500nzd, does that exempt me from GST? Or will they only look at the individual items?

    I now see youshop want you to upload invoices etc on your items too.

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    as a NZ company you can guarantee they will charge GST on every item now , not just those over $400

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    Yeah It would appear so.

    Essentially it seems, if you're buying anything under $1000 you may or may not pay GST depending on who the seller is (Youshop = always pay GST), however no added fees when it arrives in country (duty, customs charges, etc).



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    Any ideas on what other forwarders are going to do e.g. shipitto?

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    the forwarder i use (fishisfast) isn't charging GST for the moment and still lets you declare whatever value you want on the package. so no change.

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    Youshop often open packages to check invoices