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    Will we see an end to American influence in the Middle East?

    The way I heard it, was a US contractor was killed and then the US retaliated killing 25 more.

    I find it hard to fathom that US violent overreaction to countless incidents are driving the anger against them, because of their out of all proportion response to incidents over the last few decades.

    Cant the US see that their actions are making things worse not better? If not, what are the security analysts telling the powers in charge. It never ceases to bewilder me.

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    I don't think they expect to make anything better, it's more about containing or defending items of value, for as long as they are valuable.

    And there's a war machine that needs constant feeding.

    I can't see much of any of that changing in my lifetime.

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    Climate change will make the Arab Spring look like a practice drill. Think of the Syrian carnage, but encompassing everything from the Western Sahara, up to Southern Turkey and on to Pakistan.

    Dams and fortresses are going up, advanced weapon and surveillance systems are selling faster than hot cakes, oppressed ethnic groups are being preemptively pacified and the wealthy are already westernizing.
    The thing is we should all know it's coming, nations and individuals are already profiting from the predictions, but it's just not Kosher to talk about it until it's blasted into our workplaces and living rooms every day and it's time to 'react'.

    Short answer: weapons to sell, economies to siphon, specialists to train and enemies to counter. America isn't going anywhere.

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    When the oil runs out

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    jamz wrote:
    When the oil runs out
    Just had a thought. Climate Change Crisis is to reduce consumption of fossil fuels to raise their prices, increase profits and make it last longer.

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    Getting hot now. Iran attacks US airbase

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    FAA issued NOTAMs for commercial flights over iraq/iran/persian gulf/gulf of oman.

    Wonder what they want the airspace clear for....

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    ... Cruise missiles?

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    KiwiTT wrote:
    Getting hot now. Iran attacks US airbase
    No one noticed the assassination of Quds Force commander General Soleimani?

    I rather suspect that event is what ignited the 'heat' - well more heat, as things were already on their way

    KiwiTT wrote:
    The way I heard it, was a US contractor was killed and then the US retaliated killing 25 more.
    Rockets hit US base killing contractor and injuring several others. US airstrike 5 Popular Mobilization Forces sites at the Iraqi Syrian border, hundreds of kilometers away killing 32. It is worth noting that the PMF militias had been officially part of the Iraqi military, an US ally. After that, the US embassy got occupied for 2 days and burnt.

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    PMF is a broad umbrella term.

    Soleimani was an Iranian general in Iraq, backing a terror group (Kata'ib Hezbollah) and actually meeting with them (as in killed in the same car as the leader of the terrorist group Kata'ib Hezbollah). Kata'ib Hezbollah are the group that have been attacking american bases.

    Saying it is PMF is a bit misleading.

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    https://www.stuff.co.nz/world/americ...doing-the-same

    This is crazy, Iran saying It was due to general mechanical faults, USA saying it was definitely a missile, and it was probably a mistake by Iran.

    Shit's weird.

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    It's definitely a shootdown, and accidental.

    You had Iranian AA units on high alert after the missile attack on Iraq/US assets.

    The airliner was delayed by 1 hour.

    A TOR-M1 9M331 (or 330) nose cone was found along the debris trail. The explosives sit behind the nose cone, the nose cone has directional thrusters in it, so is particularly tough and usually survives the warhead detonation.

    In debris photos experts have noted small punched in (not out) holes indicative of a SAM proximity explosion.

    And of course we now have a verified video showing what appears to be a SAM explosion. And the USA is saying they observed two SAM launch flashes at the time of the shootdown.

    In such a scenario AA operators would have registered flight plans and transponders for civilian flights.

    So the current theory is a nervous AA crew did not get updates on flights, including the delayed Ukrainian flight. So they had a flight they did not expect to be there.

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    32 years later and the US hasn't apologized for the Iranian plane shoot down in 1988.

    one week later everyone who was involved in the shoot down of the Ukrainian plane publicly apologized about the accident in Iran

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    Sorry to burst your bubble but Reagan did in '88 : https://www.washingtonpost.com/archi...-054168d98c79/

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    I dont buy it. US govt is full of lies even when they tell the truth people doubt them because they put themselves in that position.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=10HPS85yLYQ

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    I see, and the Iranians are totally honest and trustworthy right?

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    hammed wrote:
    I dont buy it. US govt is full of lies even when they tell the truth people doubt them because they put themselves in that position.]
    Huh?

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    I think he means Reagan had his fingers crossed behind his back when he apologized.

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    hammed wrote:
    I dont buy it. US govt is full of lies even when they tell the truth people doubt them because they put themselves in that position.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=10HPS85yLYQ
    Yeah he's quite clearly not apologizing here, maybe the actual apology bit was edited out or it just doesn't exist idk lol

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    @vulcan: I didnt say iranians are a bunch of angels, but in general the americans have been caught lying on different issues over the years.. bullying smaller nations.. Why would I believe anything they say? sorry but Im not stupid.

    @CODChimera: Im talking in general here when I put that video up. I may not have the absolute truth about what happened, but I have my own opinion about US govt and what they stand for.

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    hammed wrote:

    @CODChimera: Im talking in general here when I put that video up. I may not have the absolute truth about what happened, but I have my own opinion about US govt and what they stand for.
    Yeah you're probably right. The US is generally pretty terrible in most aspects

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    The worst.

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    I think we can probably agree though that while not perfect, certainly better than most empires.

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    Fragluton wrote:
    The worst.
    Yeah nah. There's a few countries you should visit if you think that. Particularly in the Middle East.

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    I'm more so talking about their actions (influence), in other countries. Not America itself, I love 'Merica as a holiday destination.

    Too many fingers in too many other peoples pies, causing more harm than good.