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    #26
    Is the internet lynch mob out again? Ready to make judgement based on a couple of articles?

    Reading between the lines it's an entirely correct decision, but none of us have all the information so none us can make an accurate assessment. Won't stop the Internet Lynch Mob dropping their shit though.

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    #27
    Bobs wrote:
    Is the internet lynch mob out again? Ready to make judgement based on a couple of articles?

    Reading between the lines it's an entirely correct decision, but none of us have all the information so none us can make an accurate assessment. Won't stop the Internet Lynch Mob dropping their shit though.
    This is a forum board, this is a forum for people to express their opinions.

    GO to China and have no voice via internet or quit the internet.

    Your comment is unwarranted.

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    #28
    teelo7 wrote:
    They're kicking her out of the country because her visa isn't valid once the university kicks her out.

    What is unacceptable is the university taking action before the police have finished their investigation, but unfortunately, universities do this all the time. I know a guy who was accused of assaulting a staff member at a university, found not guilty in court, but the university had already kicked him out and refused to reverse it, so he is currently filing to take it to the High Court under Judicial Review laws.

    The university process, which seems to be consistent across all NZ universities, is:

    1. Someone files a complaint
    2. A staff member decides the seriousness of the complaint, refers it to the relevant senior member of the university
    3. If its a minor case, the senior member allows the student a limited amount of time to present their defence, but does not allow them to view any evidence or cross-examine any witnesses
    4. The senior member makes their decision of guilty/not guilty and decides on the punishment
    5. If its a "serious" case, the senior member (usually an assistant vice chancellor) appoints an investigator to assess the incident. This investigator is still on the university payroll, simply another staff member at the university, so has inherent bias towards protecting the universities interests.
    6. The senior member takes the investigators report and makes a decision based on it and assigns a punishment.

    At no point in the process does it say "notify the police" or "wait until the police make a decision" or "wait until the courts make a decision" or even "consider what the courts already decided". Essentially the universities don't have to give a shit what the police and courts say, they'll make their own decision, and don't even have a burden of proof threshold to meet. Its simply "that the senior member believes it to be true".
    I reallly didn't think about the police investigation and the implications for the student to seek justice.

    I agree totally with you that UOA should've waited for the police investigation to finish and to let the student have her day in court and get the justice and peace of mind she deserves.

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    #29
    Yeah well all the universities have it in their policies that they don't have to give a **** what the police and courts think and can make their decisions independent of them. And students agree to those policies as part of their enrollment process.

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    #30
    teelo7 wrote:
    Yeah well all the universities have it in their policies that they don't have to give a **** what the police and courts think and can make their decisions independent of them. And students agree to those policies as part of their enrollment process.
    it's sad really. There's just no compassionate middle ground except save their own asses.

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    #31
    That's horrible. Perhaps there is more that's not being said but the decision is baffling.

    What responsibilities/decisions did she fail to undergo? Perhaps she didn't know she was suffering from mental illness so had no idea to get help.

    It's not like medication and therapy couldn't help her recover fully.

    Regardless that's a horrible experience (the entire thing, jesus) and it's shit like this that ****s up people for the rest of their lives. Going back to China she'll get even less support than she would here.

    Dreams ruined -- for shame UoA

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    #32
    Bloody wrote:
    hopefully this will hit the Chinese media sites and then we will definitely see a response from UoA as it would seem that the only way to talk to them is thru the wallet like any other corporate.
    So far a Hong Kong newspaper has picked this up. Nothing on the Chinese side yet.

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    #33
    kyokei wrote:
    So far a Hong Kong newspaper has picked this up. Nothing on the Chinese side yet.
    Hong Kong is China...

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    #34
    Privoxy wrote:
    Hong Kong is China...

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    He means nothing on the mainland side.

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    #35
    New Zealand is part of New South Wales.

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    #36
    teelo7 wrote:
    New Zealand is part of New South Wales.
    Not anymore, but weirdly still a part of the Commonwealth, at least in the constitution: https://www.aph.gov.au/About_Parliam...ution/preamble

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    #37
    No where in the article does it say police are investigating a complaint of 'rape'... And it does say Alleged, which means it could be completely made up with her mental state/condition... I think there is a lot more to this story than the article states and its been written with attempt to inflame outrage. I really don't think the UoA would be taking these actions if they were not justified after consultation with the medical team involved and direct family members. They wouldn't have a leg to stand on otherwise... It doesn't state her degree, but I'm imagining it doesn't allow much room for mental health issues... Maybe medicine related?

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    #38
    MegaManX wrote:
    No where in the article does it say police are investigating a complaint of 'rape'... And it does say Alleged, which means it could be completely made up with her mental state/condition... I think there is a lot more to this story than the article states and its been written with attempt to inflame outrage. I really don't think the UoA would be taking these actions if they were not justified after consultation with the medical team involved and direct family members. They wouldn't have a leg to stand on otherwise... It doesn't state her degree, but I'm imagining it doesn't allow much room for mental health issues... Maybe medicine related?
    found the rapist

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    #39
    MegaManX wrote:
    No where in the article does it say police are investigating a complaint of 'rape'... And it does say Alleged, which means it could be completely made up with her mental state/condition... I think there is a lot more to this story than the article states and its been written with attempt to inflame outrage. I really don't think the UoA would be taking these actions if they were not justified after consultation with the medical team involved and direct family members. They wouldn't have a leg to stand on otherwise... It doesn't state her degree, but I'm imagining it doesn't allow much room for mental health issues... Maybe medicine related?
    There was a lot more to the story posted in other places, including social media posts by her.

    IIRC She was diagnosed back in 2016, got threatened with revenge porn or something, condition got worse, then got kicked out in 2019. The guy who committed the alleged sexual assault graduated.

    So it seems UOA was fine with her condition before, but when it got worse with the sexual assault UOA decided to drop her.

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    #40
    serious>klown wrote:
    There was a lot more to the story posted in other places, including social media posts by her.

    IIRC She was diagnosed back in 2016, got threatened with revenge porn or something, condition got worse, then got kicked out in 2019. The guy who committed the alleged sexual assault graduated.

    So it seems UOA was fine with her condition before, but when it got worse with the sexual assault UOA decided to drop her.
    Damn man, the story gets even worse....

    seriously UOA was probably going for some cover up and now it's getting real extreme